Home › Forums › 16 to 1 Mine › Miscellaneous
- AuthorPosts
How and What does one do to become a Hardrock Miner?
Thanks,
JeffJanuary 20, 2005 Alleghany, CA
Today, at the home of Michael M. Miller, a top-secret anti-terrorist weapon was prematurely tested. The “TI” (terrorist incinerator) had been powered up by Mr. Miller for a full systems check when he was distracted by the news on television. After the story he was watching finished, Mr. Miller got up to return to work on the “TI” when another story came on the television. This time the story was about Usama Bin Laden and his writings that are to be published. As soon as Bin Laden’s photo came on the screen, the “TI” went into action. “The facial recognition software worked perfectly,” was uttered by a singed Mr. Miller. “It was all I could do to just jump out of the way.” The incinerating plasma burst was reported to have been over thirty feet and on target!
The official word from the Department of Homeland Security is that some mountainman’s still blew up but, that they had to check it out anyway.Mike, do a google search with the words “multi slicing machine”. You will find machines for slicing hard materials such as silicon or opals. Good luck.
Also see: Calif. Division of Mines & Geol., County Report 6.
Midas (Gold Hill, Harrison Gulch, Victor & Twinvict) Sec.3,4 & 10, T.29N., R.10E. Owner Adele Moore, 608 Mid Ricon Rd., Santa Rosa.I found this article on the web about the Midas Mine. Go to:
http://www.treasurenet.com/westeast/data/feature/robots/200108.htmIn the process of going through old family papers and organizing things, I recently came across stock certificates for the Harrison Gulch Mining Company totalling 7,100 shares at a buck each. These shares were bought by my late great uncle in 1920 and 1921. In doing some research I have figured out that this mining company had two mines; the Midas and the Victor, both up in Shasta County near the town of Knob. Along with the stock certificates is a geological report of the area and both mines and the potential for gold in each. Evidently the Midas Mine had a fire in the main shaft back in 1914 and it subsequently flooded. I don’t know if it still is or not or if it has been since re-opened. That is why I am telling this story to see if any of you out there know anything or want to know more of what I have come across. There is also a letter written by a MG Henry from Sumner WA who bought the mine because it was in tax default since 1916. He evidently bought it in 1926. So let me know what you know – if anything.
A little more than all the snow in Reno but not as bad.
how deep is the snow this year ps tell ian to get back to work
how deep is the snow this year ps tell ian to get back to work
Troy,
The answer to your question is another question. Why do you want to know? There have been some people out there of late that have asked some pretty narrow questions of people in industry so that they could show a negative outcome of their hard work and to pad their own agendas. I hope that you are not one of those people. Perhaps if you were to write, call, or e-mail for a report from the 16 to 1 they might be more than happy to send you one. It doesn’t hurt to ask. Besides, looking at one years production report doesn’t tell you much more than just that. You really need to look at the history of the mine or, at least the last fifteen years. You need to factor in the amount of gold produced, labor, cost of daylighting, energy, price per ounce, market value of specimens per ounce, updated equipment, etc., etc., etc. Sometimes, a question can be to simple because, the answer doesn’t mean anything. It might also be the case that they can’t tell you that since they’re a stock held company. And, since I’m not a member of the 16 to 1, I don’t know either.Does anyone know,concerning the Sixteen to One Mine how much gold was mined in 2004 and the cost per ounce to produce that gold?
Does anyone know,concerning the Sixteen to One Mine how much gold was mined in 2004 and the cost per ounce to produce that gold?
Dear Mike,
A biologist or a Doc may explain it better. But putrefaction is setting in and since gas is lighter, the egg floats. It’s the same reason that a drowned victim’s body rises to the surface after a few days.
Now would someone please find a wire saw?
Best regards,
Dick
I’m impressed with the quick solution about floating and sinking eggs. Now I need some research help. Here is the issue:
Yesterday I sold about $20,000 of slab. Because the material was so heavy (thickness and gold vs. quartz) we lost about twenty-five percent ($5,000) in value to the buyer. We can reduce this lost revenue by using a wire-cutting machine (saw) instead of the blade saws currently in use. Wire cutting machines have been around for years. One cutter is using one but will not tell us how he got it. It cuts a rock similar to the manner that a bread-slicing machine cuts a loaf of bread…many pieces at a time and all the same thickness. The preferred thickness of our largest production buyers is 2.5 mm. Any material over that thickness must be ground away, thereby increasing the cost per unit of the piece of jewelry.The Company will buy or build a wire cutter to accomplish the goal of maximizing the yield of its high-grade. I am not skilled in Internet searching and have exhausted my resources to locate the equipment or someone who can make one. If the FORUM can provide a lady the answer to floating eggs, maybe it can help us significantly increase our revenue by find a wire saw. This is no joke. We need this badly. We have over 100 pounds of high-grade to cut.
Your help will be appreciated by the entire crew.BY the way, I know why gold sinks in water, but what makes the specific gravity different in eggs?
Gfxgold, good work. This company is in Colorado Springs and will be receiving a call from me on Monday. Their saws are designed for cutting different materials in one object. Cutting quartz and cutting gold are quite different. The diamond wire process is slow but who cares if it increases our net slab and is uniform. Thanks.
The snow depth ranges from two to five feet except where snowplows have created eight-foot piles. Last Tuesday everybody was stuck. The County has done a good job of keeping the Ridge Road open. Black ice is everywhere. The question and answer entries are great. I particularly like dick’s recitation. It reminds me of Will Rodgers, “Mining for gold is a lot different than mining for spinach.” I might not have it right, but I put it at the top of a shareholders’ letter a few years ago.
Mike,
Here is one company that you can talk to and tell them what you want. They will build a custom unit for any purpose. I’m sure that it’s not cheap. They also have standard units. But, if the return per ounce is there, then it’s worth the price. Go to:
http://www.diamondwiretech.com/saws/saws.html
P.S. How deep is the snow in Alleghany now?Dear Troy,
Are you asking about the 16:1 or worldwide production?
I can’t answer specifics but I believe that the best reply as to the value of gold was the dialogue in the movie Treasure of Sierra Madre.
Howard, the old man bunking in the Oso Negro hotel, has this to say:
“Real bonanzas are few and far between and they take a lot of finding. Answer me this one, will you? Why’s gold worth some twenty bucks per ounce? A thousand men, say, go searching for gold. After six months one of ‘em is lucky – one out of the thousand. His find represents not only his own labor but that of the nine hundred ninety-nine others to boot. Six thousand months or fifty years of scrabbling over mountains, going hungry and thirsty. An ounce of gold, mister, is worth what it is because of the human labor that went into the finding and the getting of it. There’s no other explanation, mister. In itself, gold ain’t good for anything much except to make jewelry and gold teeth. Gold’s a devilish sort of thing anyway.”
B. Traven wrote the book, and if you’re interested in Mexico, he’s the one to read.
Best regards,
Dick Davis
Does anyone know how many ounces were produced last year and the total expense to produce one ounce of gold?
Does anyone know how many ounces were produced last year and the total expense to produce one ounce of gold?
Those that float are rotten. Don’t crack them. Sinkers are OK…. still.
Like panning for gold, the good ones go to the bottom.
Best regards,
Dick Davis
As a minority female on the dominately male forum, I come for help.I began dinner and found four dozen eggs on the shelves of my refigerator.I rarely eat eggs and con’t explain why the four dozen. I put a dozen in a pot on the stove.Nine float and three sunk. Why?
Which ones do I eat or throw out?I HAVE A VERRY PROMESSING MINE W GEOLOGICAL PAPERS AND IM ASKING FOR ADVICE ON IVESTORS THAT WANT TO BUY OR WORK AS PARTNERS ,THIS MINES ARE IN MEXICO IF ANY ONE HAVE ANY INFO ON HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THIS LEAVE ME A MESSAGE OR CALL 480-232-1620
The Kenton Mine Lodge is closed and has been for about seven years. Casey’s Place will have rooms for rent beginning on New Year’s Eve.
Casey’s Place is having a Lobster Dinner and Band for New Year’s Eve. The rooms are already booked.Just an observation based on 30 years in the Alleghany Mining District: Some companies promote stock with slick Public Relations. The locals refer to these companies as “shareholder miners”. I have seen many come and go and in the end the insiders do fine, the stock goes in the toilet, and very little if any gold is produced.
Then there are the real mines. They are in the business of mining gold, not promoting stock.
Words of wisdom from successful “old timers” of the Alleghany Mining District regarding the most succesful approach to pocket mining. “You drill for structure (geological structure) and drift for grade”
The geological structure of the Alleghany District for the most part has been drilled and mapped. With a pocket deposit core drilling does not and cannot prove grade.
The following was supplied by Newmont Mining under its Royalties Section on its website at http://www.newmont.com.
Oil and Gas Royalties, Canada
Newmont has royalties of 1.8 million acres(0.7 million hectares) of producung and non-producing oil and gas lands in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin and the Canadian Arctic. Producing royalties include the Edson area of Alberta operated by Canadian Natural Resources Limited, the Weyburn Unit in Saskatchewan operated by Apache Canada. Production from these three areas is 647, 330, and 195 barrels of oil equivalent per day, respectively, net to Newmont.
Royalties on these lands are either overriding royalties, based on oil and gas production and are free from operating capital costs, or are working interests, in which the Company is liable for its share of capital and operating expenses in return for its share of revenue and earnings.
One of Newmont’s 100% owned non-producing assets is its Alberta Heavy Oil project. Newmont has a 7,680-acre lease that is within the Leismer Athabasca Oil Sands Field, located adjacent to Encana Resources’ Christina Lake Thermal Project and Devon Canada’s Jackfish project, both of which are steam assisted gravity drainage projects with an estimated 3 billion and 500 million million barrels of oil in place, respectively. In 1Q 2004, Newmont completed this year’s $3.7 million exploration drilling program at its Alberta Heavy Oil project that was designed to quantify the potential resource.
Newmont also has a 9% non-operating working interest in the Hecla and Drake Point gas fields located on and offshore of the Melville Island in Canada’s Arctic region. Those fields are the largest ever discovered in Canada but their geographic remoteness has, to date, prevented their commercialization.
Oil prices have been weak lately and are oversold as compared to gold’s current price. Dan Norcini of Houston Texas has predicted new highs in petroleum prices in the months ahead. Possibly with higher oil prices on the horizon, Newmont Mining will surpass its troublesome chart area of 50 and breed further public confidence into the other gold mining companies with its performance. Newmont is currently the biggest producer of gold in the world and widely followed by investors as the bellwether for the whole group.
How do you find and take out the gold specimens that you find while you are mining?
Carefully. This company takes extra care in establishing the provenance of the quartz and gold that may qualify as a specimen. The date and location of the high-grade is recorded when the ore it sacked and sealed underground. The rough product is classified, weighed to record gross weight and gold content. No identification is done for “kid” rocks. These are chunks of various sizes, which are priced below $100. This process dates back a dozen years when the early success of gold detecting uncovered gold signals throughout the miles of drifts and stopes.
They seem to have good intentions on the surface but, so did the CDAA. Go to: http://sfbaykeeper.org/Deltakeeperlinks.htm
Maybe this entry can achieve a Google search result when people type in fraud. I’ll repeat what I wrote on the previous OAU Forum page:
“Please help me out here, Delta Keepers. What are you suggesting that we keep by stopping California history from debunking your axiom?”
Really, I can’t wait to hear, because if it’s something worthwhile, I’ll be the first to step up to the plate and support the effort. Seriously. So please tune in here and tell me.
Otherwise, I have to deduct (not infer, and you should know the difference) that your attempt to pretend, and therefore, regulate therefore through litigation regulate and then therefore with a supposed imbedded-heretofore-gimme-gimme-political-justification-for-your existing present opposition somehow make your point.
Times are changing; history means things. Please don’t try to change it as you would a stream.
As I said, I’d love to read, hear, and embrace a worthwhile reason for your opposition.
Hey Mike! I heard a rumor Friday night. Is it true?
name’s dick eh?…just plane old “Dick”
look, this post wasnt ment to be a joke. looks like i got just what i expected from a dumb hard headed rock miner who has noting else better to do with his time than to be a jackass and make fun of people. i hope your 1000 feet in a mine and the thing caves on you, and you get to smother to death and die slowly from lack of oxygen before they can get to you.
doesnt make any difference though if you mine or not. for your rude and azzholish comment, im going to have my old gypsy grandma put a hex on you. i bet you dont last 3 weeks now. think its a joke…we will see i guess.
Sorry, you took my message as an insult or joke. That was never my intent or thought.
People explore Florida’s beaches with metal detectors searching for treasure and I just suggested Mexico for the same reason. You mentioned your Dr. who prospects in Arizona, that’s what made me think of Mexico. I’ve been to a lot of old abandoned haciendas in Mexico and many have been torn apart by people looking for hidden valuables. And I doubt if the people looking had a metal detector. You’d probably at least find bits of history like the people who search Bodie, California.
This is an Open Forum, not all replies come from the 16:1 miners. I’m just a guy that likes California history and hopes that this last connection to underground mining history continues.
I had cancer 9 years ago. Upjohn used me as a guinea pig and provided experimental treatment. As a group the treatment did not prove superior, but it worked for me and they paid the bill. I hope your treatment is successful.
I’ll be more careful with my comments in the future.
Thanks, that’s what I needed to know and good luck!!
I think Mark needs to know that OAU is Original Gold. O= original, AU= the chemical symbol for gold.
In repsonse to Mark Hooper’s question about OAU. OAU was the company’s ticker symbol when the stock was listed on the pacific exchange.
The geometrical pattern is a design Mike came up with several years ago.
I enjoyed your visit as well.
Take care.
RaeTake your Gold Master to Mexico. Wave it over every abandoned hacienda, convent, and church that you find. Dang, you’ll have a good time.
Hello from Tennessee,
I was at your museum on May 30th during a visit to the CA gold country and purchased a gold w/quartz heart pendant. Everyone here loves it because they have never seen such a “diffrent” piece of jewlery and were’re telling all of them where it was purchased. Rae was very helpful and we really enjoyed our visit. We picked up a couple of tee shirts with the OAU logo on it but were’re not sure what the OAU stands for or the symbol that goes with it. If possible I would like to know their meanings. Thanks and good luck aginst the political machine. You could be just two feet away from a Million!!!!Mark Hooper
hello. im hoping someone here can help me. im a 2 year cancer patient that has always had a small interest in mining. recently, while visiting my Dr. he suggested i get out and get some exersize to help build my strengh up a bit. he suggested electronic prospecting as he and his wife do it somewere inAZ once or twice a year. he also suggested looking on the web for places to go. some nice folks here locally all pitched in and bought me a used goldmaster metal detector. i havent the foggiest idea of were to use it, so i was hoping that with all of the experiece that ev eryone has in this area here, somene might be nice enough to point me in the right direction on were to go were i might find alittle something, or possibly someone here might be nice enough to let me tag along with them and give some instruction on using this thing. any help you nice folks can give me would be greatly appreciated
Hi Crush, what are you suggesting? If I knew for sure there is genuine interest I would certainly consider it. Alternatively I could scan a current map which I have dowsed and send it to you, as a demonstration. Regards Geoff
Mike-
Thank you for responding to my recent posting on the 16:1 forum. I would like to set the record straight concerning some of your comments.
1) Like you I hold a University degree in Economics
2) As a director of the Wittkopp family mining and Exploration Company (Mountain View Exploration) I am an indirect 16:1 shareholder.
3) I am very familiar with the gold mining industry having attended many recent gold investment conferences sponsored by more than 150 mining companies.
4) As a stockbroker, many of my clients were goldbugs.
5) Having worked with and for my dad during 11 summers in the field I am very familiar with the geology of gold.
6) I am very familiar with the mining of gold in the Allegheny district, having followed my dad through the Oriental Mine many times during his 20-year association with this property. I first went underground at the age of four.Harlan
Geff, why dont you just come up to the meeting?
- AuthorPosts
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.