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The stock wizard that ordered the sale of those 10,000 for ten cents a share lost $2,125. Check the bids on the STOCK topic. No comment!
I noticed the other day a block trade, which was the only trade that day, I think 3 days ago – 10,000 shares at 0.10
I have no information, this is just an FYI.
Mike,
I have sent an E-Mail to the corporate office before the Brexit Vote with three bids to buy 5.000 shares each at purchase prices of 0.15, 0.20 and 0.25 $.
Could you have these offers posted on the company website please? Thank you.Gerald,
Every year about this time we mail the annual report to shareholders. Every year my mind searches for the clearest words to report the past year’s activities and report on some intentions for the coming year. Below is one paragraph from the annual message:
“Here is what good gold analysts write: message to gold share investors. Look for companies in which the management team has a significant stake. Look for companies that are taking concrete steps towards building a mine. And ignore the ones that keep issuing paper, particularly when markets are weak; another message for the mining companies. If there is any potential for near-term production, start producing. Forget all the other stuff. And, for goodness sake, ignore the bloke with the white teeth. Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc. fits this analysis.”
Shareholders of record or all those that sent us their address will have the report this week or early next week, depending on postal service to your locale. There are three colored photographs on the back page, all relevant and historical. The last one entitled: A GOLD POUR—steps of the Pacific Stock Exchange—SAN FRANCISCO. During the coming year promotion of our Company will have a modest budget of time and money. I agree with all of you regarding the public exchange of Sixteen to One ownership. It makes little sense.
I have a long standing knowledge of the gold junior market, also called “penny gold stocks”. In the Form 10-k filed with the S&EC Washington D.C. there is ITEM 5, which informs the public (and shareholders). “Management believes that the assets of the Company are understated due to the age of acquisitions. No value is recorded on the balance sheet for timber. No value is recorded on the balance sheet for the Company owned water rights. Reduced value is recorded on the balance sheet for buildings, equipment and land. Fixed assets ate recorded at historic cost less depreciation.”
Unlike most of the remaining junior gold companies, our Company does not capitalize exploration work. This is most important for anyone considering taking a position in a gold mining company. I read outlandish dollar numbers for assets on most balance sheets. Who are these presidents officers and board members fooling? Many is one answer.
Gerald, Bluejay, jnjennings, Hans and cw3343 let’s work to change some of this obvious foolishness regarding the Sixteen to One share pricing. One hundred shares as a buyer or seller is uneconomical at penny prices especially for sellers. Last year the high was $0.56 and the low was $0.44 on our website. Promotion is in our future.
I’m willing to buy more shares at below asset value. Letting the shares trade so low on the Pink Sheets is just foolish. Show me some real size.
I have been trying to get the pink sheet price up for years, but at least one broker drives the price to very low.Some shares were sold today at$o.10 but not mine.
I OFFERED TO SELL AT $0.10 BECAUSE THAT WAS $0.06 HIGHER THAN LISTED ON STOCK MKT. THE COMMISSION TO SELL AT FIDELITY ON LINE IS $7.95.MY LAST SALE WAS FOR $0.50 PER SHARE.MY OFFER IS TO SELL 100 OF MY SHARES AT FIDELITY.
Mike,
for tansactions below 500.00 US-Dollars both transaction fees for buyer and seller of 75,00 US-Dollars each are to be born by the buyer in deals that are brokered via the company.
In Gerald’s case you would have to pay a fee of 1.50 US-Dollars per share on top of the 0.20 US-Dollars per share that you are paying to Gerald.
Should that fee-policy not be reviewed?
I remember talking with your grandfather years ago about gold and gold mining. I’m curious regarding your good till cancelled order for 100 shares at $0.10. Your gross will be ten dollars. will that cover the commission? What is the commission charged to a buyer? What is your desire regarding these 100 shares? I can pay $10 as others can also. Get the share certificate from Fidelity and I will double your asking price. You can call or write me (530) 287-3223
I had to re-register to get my message through .my name is gerald vittitow jnjenniings is my grandfather
I have 100 shares for sale on a good till cancelled,all or none order at limit of $0.10 at Fidelity broker.
I have prepared three bids to buy OSTO-stock together with a friend of mine at prices between 0.08 and 0.10 US $ per share and have sent these three bids to the Corporate adress.. They are good for one year.
As long as these bids are good, nobody needs to sell at lower prices.
OTC trades this month, so far:
04/05/2016 3000 shares at 0.001
04/05/2016 3000 shares at 0.03
04/15/2016 300 shares at .06Mike,
as far as I know the OTC market is rather intransparent because nobody has a complete overview of all active bids as long as there is no “market-maker” for a certain stock.
There seems to be some sort of a nation-wide bid-notification system, but being no stock-broker, I do not know anything about the details of this notification system and how well it works in life-trading. From your experience it seems, that it doesn´t work very well.
However, the buyers´ and sellers´ lists on the company´s website are easy to look at. And anybody, who is thinking about buying or selling stock will look there first.
I think, I will give it a try and see what happens.
Mike,
On April 5th, 2016, 3000 shares of OSTO stock have been traded on NASDAQ for 3 cts per share, down from 9 cts per share.If I would submit a bid for the purchase of 100.000 shares at 3 cts a share, would this bid be published on the company-website?
And would it not be in the long-term interest of all shareholders to have comparatively low bids on the company-website rather than having no bids at all?
Hans, I know some facts about the stock you posted below. April 4, 2016, I received a call regarding 5000 shares belonging to a man I knew. He died in November and his executor wanted to close the estate. He suggested I put a low bid and see what happens. I did at $0.05 a share. Someone paid three cents when a five cent offer was on the table. Who gained? Who lost? Who or How as this decision made?
People tell me that they have placed buy orders at prices higher than the one executed. They wonder, “how does this happen?” I just had this experience and don’t have an explanation.
Yes, anyone can place a buy order on our STOCK page at any price. A seller makes the decision. The Company is like an escrow holder. The stock market takes second place to the need of mining. We are successfully moving forward towards debt elimination and increased gold production. When our financial issues are satisfied, I will institute a program towards increasing the awareness ot this great little company.
Mike pointed out a GREAT idea below. Even though the shares are no longer “valued” at $0 in a brokerage account, it still could be great opportunity to remove shares from an IRA (or Retirement Plan/tax-deferred) account. People are often mistaken in the belief that they can only take cash from an IRA, especially for a Required Minimum Distribution at >age 70.5
Your new cost basis outside of the IRA is the value on the date the shares were transferred.
If you are considering moving shares in kind from an IRA, please be sure to speak with your broker/advisor, AND, more importantly your CPA or tax-preparer. THIS POST, AND THE POST OF MIKE’S BELOW IN NO WAY CONSTITUTES TAX ADVICE. EACH PERSON HAS HIS/HER OWN UNIQUE SITUATION – THIS MAY NOT BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR YOU. TALK TO YOUR TAX PERSON…
THIS IS INFORMATION ONLY. IT IS NOT AN OFFER OF TAX ADVICE. CHECK THIS INFORMATION WITH A PROFESSIONAL TAX ADVISER.
If you or anyone you know with shares in an IRA or retirement plan account, consider taking a distribution now. You can move shares in kind, from IRA to taxable account, and the distribution amount (or taxable income) is the value of the shares on the day they are distributed. With the gray market sales at last tradesAt $0, right now is the perfect opportunity for that. If shares go up to $5 later (or $25) then it’d be capital gains in a taxable account, but if taken from IRA at that value, is considered income, which for a lot of folks is taxed higher than capital gains.
I believe that will only happen if they have a bad address/returned mail for you.
Michael Miller & Group,
I’ve got a good one for you. I have learned that if you have an account with a stock transfer agent and there has been no “activity” on your account for three years, the state can regard your account as “abandoned” and seize your funds as “unclaimed property” AFTER THREE YEARS ! Can you believe this?
I was shocked to say the least. This was reported last month in “DRIP Investor”, a financial newsletter that I subscribe to. I sent an e-mail to the editor this morning about this (and I will copy and paste that below) but a big question I have is whether or not the state can still do this if you hold a physical certificate. I doubt it. This whole thing about getting away from certificates “for our own protection” is beginning to make sense now.
The broker at Penn Trade told me over the telephone that the big push to do away with certificates is coming from the GOVERNMENT *NOT* from the brokers!This whole thing is starting to look very, very suspicious to me. Does the government want to phase out certs to make it more expedient to seize people’s assets? Hey, I don’t want to go getting paranoid but you really have to wonder.
I wrote this to DRIP Investor:
Dear Chuck,
I read with horror in the January issue of DRIP Investor about the way that it is possible for the State to seize someone’s assets on the grounds that they are abandoned or unclaimed property.
I, too, received a letter like that from one of my transfer agents that manages my CSX Drip account. The contact on the phone told me that the state can consider them “unclaimed property” after as little as three years. Huh? Say what?
Here we have had it hammered into us for years that the safest way to invest in stocks is for the long term. “Put your money in there and forget it”. “Tune out the noise”. But now the state can seize your assets after as little as three years of “no activity”?
I strongly believe that the constitutionality of this is very shaky at best. Someone – anyone – who has their assets seized like that should file suit on the grounds of an unconstitutional “government taking” of private property.
I have a couple of very serious questions about this. Number one, how can the state consider an account to be “abandoned” when the owner has been dutifully paying taxes on the dividend distributions year after year after year? Than make no sense whatsoever.
A second question I have, what about a case where the owner actually physically holds the stock certificate? Can the state seize those assets too? Or, are certificates more difficult for them to seize? If so, maybe it’s high time to take a second look at certificates.
Somebody somewhere really needs to speak out about this issue. If the state can seize assets after three years, what the hell? Why not make it one year? Six months? Is anybody safe?
Sometimes I can’t help but wonder if we Americans are really so far behind Vladimir Putin’s Russia. This unclaimed property law is beyond belief.
What is happening to us?
His response:
Hi Fred . . . thanks for the note. You raise some interesting questions (especially the one about stock certificates) which I quite frankly don’t know the answer to. It seems if you have stock certificates, you have ownership that can’t be taken away, but I suppose I don’t know that for certain. Let me see if I can get some answers for you on this.
Chuck Carlson, CFAi recently sold shares at $0.50 at a well known broker..
Michael,
I think I might know why. One guess is that who ever sold their shares for 42 cents needed to raise some cash very badly and was either unable or unwilling to wait and see if the share price rebounds further. As to why someone would buy them at that price, they didn’t get such a bad deal, either.
I bought my last “grey” shares for around 20 cents, I think it was, but I am going to get absolutely “soaked” on the certificate so it’s probably a “wash”.
I realize that these share prices must seem pretty paltry to some who have owned Sixteen To One for many years. But, compared with what some of these other small mining companiies are currently trading for, we’re actually not doing all that bad. Sutter Gold? North Bay Resources? Emgold? Western Pacific Resources? SHEESH ! The list gets longer.
So, I guess I’m optimistic right now and growing more so all the time.
Of course, the Water Board might end up throwing a monkey wrench in the machinery but I’m hoping and praying not.
Regards,
Fred M. CainYesterday our so-called “grey” shares closed at 42 cents and appear to have even briefly traded at around 55 cents.
This is the highest they’ve been in about a year. I like to think this is a sign that something’s going right.
Regards,
Fred M. CainIf you check the STOCK topic on the FORUM, 10,000 shares traded at $.42 yesterday. As to a question of why, I don’t know because I don’t know why anyone would sell shares at the prices we have seen over the past years.
I’ll have time next week to flesh out the water tentative discharge order.
What is the promotional history of all those “penny gold stocks”? How did they manage to generate stock interest in the past? Is that game over? Are they dead?
The past four years or more were gloomy for gold mining stock players. The public basically fled the market. The sizzle, the predictions of economic gloom and doom or war moved no one. The promotion game is not over. It flows and ebbs. Lately it is showing signs of excitement. Hold your breath about some of the news entering publications.
Stock promotion companies hire a press firm, standard operating procedure. The pattern of press releases is predictable. Companies that have no revenue from production have significant expenses on their income statements under public relations. It is big and important. (as an aside we abstain).
What is happening inside the gold mining company for the promoter’s news? Yesterday, there was an important news release about a company with a property in Peru. It got a second ball mill and it just arrived. It would be ‘commissioned’, whatever that means, in several months. Production is right around the corner. Look how great we are.Today, another company I had some news. A press release and lengthy announcement from the Investor Relations “department hit the publication networks: “the company announced that it has authorized three new studies to enhance the value of its 100% owned gold project” in eastern Oregon. The release goes on for 6 paragraphs. Wow!
For anyone following the gold corporate market place, the small cap gold mining and natural resource public companies need and want your scrutiny. This industry is under financed with some justification regarding its creditability. I have much information in my files about public companies that came to the Alleghany Mining district and screwed their investors. That taste does not leave those speculators. Others right now sit on the side with a thought that taking a risk in a small cap gold mine may be worth considering. Sadly or maybe fortunately these news operating, corporate predators play their game in other sectors as well: the medical electronic, technical industries. For reasons I cannot explain, people give them a pass. Gold is different. I’m not sure why but if you have some ideas, enlighten us. I offer one explanation. Gold mining has too many unfamiliar nuances. It is not a quick study. Each mine and each operator runs with the wolves. Its language can be confusing and distorted.
C.W. WROTE:
“Noticed another block trade go through the other day, at $0.20 – that is two in the last month or so…”
Huh !!! Imagine that ! Someone’s buying OSTO.
Regards,
Fred M. CainI would take dividends in gold, if given a choice. It would generate some wide interest, I think, as no other companies are doing that.
Noticed another block trade go through the other day, at $0.20 – that is two in the last month or so…
Cart before the Horse
While this debate is interesting, it puts the cart before the horse since we first need to figure out how to get past the liquidity constraints our company currently faces.
If we ever did reach a point of producing enough gold to pay off debts, build adequate liquidity for future development and have excess for shareholder distribution, cash dividends would be more practical to shareholders than a gold dividend. We could not logistically distribute physical gold to all shareholders in per share amounts so it would need to take the form of gold placed with a depository firm and only paper receipts provided as a dividend. Shareholders would probably prefer cash so that they could decide what form of reinvestment they want—more shares, physical gold, etc.
Well, well, well. It is not 6:21am in Alleghany right now. It is 3:23pm. With the problems we were experiencing with our internet server, we are now on Eastern time, as in New York. We just noticed this and will seek a repair. Thanks.
I agree with the problem cited below. The solution meets requirements for a “pro rata in kind dividend”. Another separate entity (not our company) has agreed to settle all unwanted gold with a cash payment. Even though people with small share ownership fit into the pro rata requirement, it is lawfully possible to declare a dividend in gold as done by Ranchers in silver years ago.
While an in kind dividend may sound rather outlandish, it appeals to many I have met. All this is speculation at the moment; however, it has been a serious consideration in the past. Your other points are well received. The main requirement is producing enough gold to pay debt, fund long term exploration plans and return a liquid stock market. Impossible at the Sixteen to One?? No. A sure thing?? No.
Fred,
Some really experienced people have tried to figure it out. You may not know this but a driving force behind me is issuing gold dividends. It can be done in our corporation because of the shareholder make up and share outstanding.In 1995 our new detection technology and talented crew filled the safe deposits vaults of two banks in Grass Valley. My board of directors authorized my long held wish to start a dividend program. This Company has a history of dividends unequaled by any American gold mining company. The owners were handsomely repaid for their loyalty and financial/ management. How great it must have been to see those checks arriving all during the depression. I heard many stories from shareholders as I canvased California for proxies to redirect a stagnate board (1975-83).
The dividend caused us to establish a background on how to accomplish the deed. It is like most challenging things: the first time is usually the hardest. The paper work for a gold dividend will be a minor adjustment from a cash payment. The implications for cash vs gold are major, however, and still one of my burning desires.
It will be revealing when the holders of shares in street name are sought and their addresses, when the board of directors authorizes another dividend, this time from our inventory. The legal guideline the Company will follow will be the Record of Shareholders that have been meticulously maintained for over 100 years.
Perhaps then we all will have the answer to the question, What is going on with this odd grey market?
During the course of the last year and a half or so, I have been in the process of buying shares on the so-called “grey market” and personal finances have allowed. I bought some in my tax-sheltered IRA at Vanguard and more recently I have been trying to buy some through PennTrade – with the intention of eventually getting a certificate for those.
What I have noticed is that during the last six months or so this is getting harder and harder to do. It seems they just no longer trade and on those rare occasions where they do trade, someone else gets them.
There have been several instances where shares changed hands for a price that was nearly HALF of what I was offering and yet they were sold to the buyer at the lower price. Go figure.
Fred M. Cain
Re: your last sentence below.
Not all stocks that trade on the OTC market are shams, or trade in shady illiquid back room deals.Many large multi-nationals have de-listed from the NYSE and now trade OTC, such as Siemens, Nestle, Hitachi, Deutsche Telecom, etc.
(this not an endorsement of any of those names, and I have no positions – just using them as an example)cw3343,
Most interesting. I did not know that stocks were still being traded that way. That might be why I’m having trouble. Maybe no one at Vanguard is watching this or “picking up the phone” like you said.
Also, I had some one tell me that OSTO does not participate in the electronic “DRS” whatever that means. Not sure if that’s a related issue or not.
All this leads me to believe that you should buy your OSTO shares while you can ’cause the day might be at hand when this is going to get cut off.
I had one broker tell me that our current government “will have no rest until they succeed in completely shutting down the OTC market”. I hope it doesn’t come to that but…..
Bluejay,
I agree whole heartedly that something is just not quite right with the pink sheets. But I still don’t understand who would do this and why.
If a person had 4,000 shares of OSTO (OAU) why would they sell them at 18 cents and get $720 dollars when they could’ve sold them for 25 cents and fetched $1,000? I mean, doesn’t that defy logic?
Several possibilities come to mind. One is that the seller is doing some kind of a favor for the buyer through a prearranged agreement. Another possibility is that someone is manipulating the stock in order to help someone cover a “short”. (Short sellers borrow shares, not dollars, then turn around and sell them hoping to buy them back later after a price falls. But then if the stock rises instead of falling they’re in big trouble).
The third and most disturbing possibility is that someone is intentionally manipulating the stock forcing the price down because they figure they can take over our company later on the cheap. I hope not but that possibility cannot be completely dismissed. That is one problem that comes with having a very thinly traded stock like this. The stock is more vulnerable to manipulation than that of a big company on a major exchange.
I don’t know – no one knows for sure – but I have this suspicion that there are not millions, not billions but perhaps TRILLIONS of dollars of gold locked up in the quartz veins under that mountain. That may have quite possibly come to someone’s attention. If they can trash our shares then pick up the mine for a song, they will probably try.Regards,
Fred M. CainThe first paragraph in the post below sums it up fairly accurately. The term pink sheets is derived from the pink booklet that used to get distributed in the old school days. Often you would not know the price until you got the printed Pink Sheets.
From my experience, some of the trading in OSTO is still done old school where the trader has to pick up the phone and call at least a few other traders to see if there is any stock for sale/size/price, etc. This makes it iffy for someone just entering an order on an online brokerage account.
BTW, on 5/12 it was 3 trades:
3000 at .171
400 at .12
14,600 at .18As a result of your experience, I would guess the pink sheet’s operation is criminal. The government agencies will never prosecute as their next jobs will probably be working for the same criminals. Markets use to be honest, things have changed.
18 THOUSAND shares traded today at 18 cents! I didn’t get any, though, even though I had a higher bid on them. But higher bids don’t seem to matter much in this market. 🙁
Regards,
Fred M. CainLooks like another 2,000 shares traded yesterday on the “grey” market for 10.4 cents.
And today – this is really weird – another 390 shares traded for the same amount.
That would yield the staggering sum of $40.56. Sheesh! Go figure.
C.W.,
I understand what you’re saying. You might not have been involved in these trades in any way but it’s still fun to watch and follow, isn’t it?
There are some of us who suspect –even believe – that at 11 cents, never mind 9 cents, our shares might be very badly undervalued. I guess you can count me in on that. But, and I think this is important, the longer I watch this the more it is beginning to appear that some kind of a “floor” is beginning to form under the “grey” market share price.Hope springs eternal.
Regards,
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