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  • SCOOP
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    To Ryan below:

    The agreement with Quartz view was negotiated last fall. Scoop knows Mike and company are reluctant to bring up mine doings that are iffy or speculative. Most topics in mining are speculative. There must be a reason for the Mountain Messenger article on the front page. Did you see the one on the back page? Any comment?

    Scoop now speculates. The price for an ounce of gold is four times greater than the price at that famous million dollar day. Hello!! Let’s go find some. The company made profit at $400 an ounce. It’s looking for new technology.

    The Mountain Messenger, an avant-garde publication, raises the importance of technological improvement rocking the Sixteen’s gold and quartz. What better rag to make a disclosure?
    Mark Twain wrote for the Messenger. The owner, Don Russel,l has similar tendencies or quirks. Twain wrote, “Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen.” Don’t know what he meant but it sounds Russellish.

    Scoop has been a Sixteen to One observer a long time. Rarely does it do something without deep reason. Reread the last two paragraphs for an answer and let Scoop know if you have one.

    Ryan Baum
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    I received the Feb 14 Mountain Messenger today down in the low lands. I see the article on OAU and the recent agreement with a radar firm.

    Is there any more information beyond the newspaper article?

    Also, beyond the GPR agreement, any update on possible finance raising to get back to mining?

    Thank you.

    SCOOP
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    Heard a surprising sound driving past the Alleghany Park yesterday. It was unexpected due to the time of year, the snow on the ground, the freezing mornings and the warmth of the sun in the afternoon. The frogs were chirping.

    Alleghany has an interesting water table. Volcanic lava flows cover the famous Blue Lead, a buried river channel sitting on ancient bedrock. The gold settled down in existing quartz about 130 million years ago.in places where pre mineral faulting movements and post mineral faulting occurred. Alleghany also received rich placer gold and lode gold about the same elevations as the town’s present terrain. How does this relate to frog noise?

    The park sits on Smith Flat, an old hydraulic, rich gold deposit so water, which influences frog habitat is confused. Alleghanians aren’t sure whether their frogs are the four legged type, the three legged yellow buggers so famous with environmentalists or have some other legged configuration or peculiarities. Alleghanians do know that frogs are abundant in the spring and by their chirping seem very healthy. Maybe Alleghany has something here comparable to that rodent that sticks its head out of the ground to check the sun.

    Scoop predicts that some sunny days are ahead for Alleghany even though it is the heart of winter.

    Rick Montgomery
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    Howdy up there!!! How cold is it outside? (Of quartz, we know how warm it is inside….)

    SCOOP
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    Everything down at the mine portal area was cold and dark on Monday when the crew arrived …no electricity. The main PG&E transformer sizzled with heat so the problem was with PG&E. A troubleshooter assessed the situation by 2pm. The 12,000 volt to 4160 volt transformer was too dangerous for him to even open and check. We needed to get a new one installed. Going from 12,000 volts to 4160 volts is not common and PG&E began a search for a transformer. Fortunately one was found in Stockton and would arrive in Alleghany Tuesday morning. PG&E gets a lot of flak in California (justly so for power outages); but the line crews are exceptionally talented. They completed their work by mid-afternoon but would not throw the mine’s breaker lever to energize the power (company policy). This level is not normal size. It took two hands and with a little coaching, Mike raised and connected the level. Back to work on Wednesday.

    This morning it was 22 degrees. The storm is over and the scene is beautiful: tall evergreen pine, cedar and fir trees, white snow and blue sky.

    SCOOP
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    What’s been going on in Alleghany, the last Sierra Nevada historical gold town still operating mines. It bewilders many that (1) Gold is still being mined in California and (2) So little gold mining is happening in California as the spot price hovers around $1700 for a measly ounce. That’s right! An ounce of gold is measly compared to the historical production of gold from California’s gold belt. Those Sixteen to One boys talked about how ho hum it was when the crew mined 100 ounces in a day. It only became newsworthy when a shift sacked 500 ounces. Today they probably get excited for any production.

    Scoop doesn’t wonder about the economics of gold mining the Sixteen. It’s simple. Scoop does wonder about the interest of investors. Where does their investment capital reside with the outlook for the economy? Do any still use risk/reward evaluations in making decisions or do they let it sit? What instigated the furor over the dot com industry and how was it evaluated? Maybe investment has become age sensitive. Maybe investors today lack experiences in the business of gold mining. Maybe, maybe, maybe. For sure, few Americans have a history with gold.

    Northern California got a soaking last week. The only damage Scoop saw was the gravel maintained roads. Nothing beats mine rock for road surfaces, but when rain falls at the rate it did, culverts plug and then trouble follows. The mine put a herculean effort on road maintenance last spring. Except for two places on the road from the town to the portal, it survived. Some heavy equipment showed up yesterday and the news is the mine road is quickly repaired.

    Half the underground crew finished a five week job repairing the track from the portal to the 848 split (about 1800 feet). Boy did it need some TLC. What’s worse than putting a full muck car back on track is when the locomotive derails. Muscles strain lifting it back on track. Even worse is when a derailment occurs at the end of shift. Do we fix it now or see it first thing in the morning?

    It’s too bad that Lucas guy couldn’t find the money to make his TV show in the Sixteen to One. Now the public is left with some yahoos in Alaska and idiots in Ghana as examples of working gold miners. What a joke! No, what an insult! If you haven’t seen the short video Glen Lucas made to promote his idea, go “NEWS” and click 16 to 1 Video Trailer.

    It’s too bad the last federal hearing wasn’t filmed. Portions of it were worthy of real reality TV. Mike didn’t write much about that MSHA hearing but Scoop knows he spent serious time in preparation for a battle that never occurred. The question remains, “Did the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc. affect interstate commerce at the time of the inspectors’ inspection?” The public should become aware of this story.

    The Sixteen to One miners always keep gold production quiet until the gold is safely sacked and stored. Makes sense. They used to order pizzas from Grass Valley when their sacking continued beyond shift but stopped when the pizza restaurants figured out that a big pizza order to go from the Sixteen to One means they are in gold. Ah, those good old days; maybe history will repeat. No one ever forgets seeing a pocket of gold during mining. Sigh, Scoop hopes to get an invitation for another look.

    Maybe there are too many “maybes” and “it’s too bad” in today’s clip. No pessimism with Scoop or the crew in Alleghany. It’s great to watch the Sixteen to One evolve.

    SCOOP
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    The apparently most important item this week has been the administration hearing held in Nevada City. Haven’t seen munch of Mike’s truck outside the office. Just heard that it will continue until Monday. That will be four days to discuss 25 citations.

    SCOOP
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    Too much time has eclipsed since a word from Scoop. At 6pm a community meeting begins with a member of the US Post Office. Federal law established rules and procedures when postal service to a community is considered for a significant change. Alleghany is under consideration. Congress laid down policy for keeping small and remote postal service available when revenue drops below expenses. The first hit to post office revenue happened when the school left Alleghany and moved down the road to Pike. That was about twenty years ago. The next hit in revenue happened about twelve years ago when that old Sixteen to One decreased mailing regular newsletters to its shareholders. The mine company also used the post office to ship gold bars to the smelter, which were heavy and insured. Ah, the good old days! A grip amongst the community is the existence of numerous post offices in the Tri County region that are less than tem miles apart. Alleghanians are going to take over a twenty two mile drive to the nearest post office for services and twenty two miles to return. Maybe no one cares but don’t bet on that.

    The Sierra Nevada had a record early snow storm ten days ago. Rain last Wednesday melted the snow but what a great early warning to everyone who has not finished (or started) preparations for winter.

    A big bear is wandering around the north side of town and a little bear that is believed to lost its mother is wandering around the south/western part of Alleghany. The pot harvest of the local growers is no longer in sight. Most folks are relieved that city slickers did not zero in on the possibilities of stealing the harvest and shooting up the town. Not much more to tell you.

    SCOOP
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    The historical church in Alleghany is holding its first public event on Sept.22nd.

    Singer Rita Hosking will be performing an acoustic concert with her husband Sean Feder.

    Prior to the concert a delectable lunch will be served to concert goers. This will be a sit-down affair, with real plates, table cloths and the whole 9 yards! Caree Loving and crew are going to be cooking up roasted pumkin tamales and other good food using mostly regional produce straight from You-Bet farm. We hope that you can join us.
    All proceeds benefit the preservation of the historical church building. go to http://www.hiddenchurch.info for more information. Go to the “events” page where there is even a link to hear Rita sing…

    martin newkom
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    I used to farm orchard in Sutter
    County. I had an extensive junk
    pile which sometimes literally
    saved my “life”. A pile of junk
    sometimes “Pays”.

    SCOOP
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    Go to the Sixteen to One mine or to most mine sites and you are likely to see stuff: pipe stuff, wood and iron of various sizes, rusted equipment, parts for almost anything that moves and of course old trucks and cars. This spring Alleghany witnessed loads of stuff going to scrappers or the local dump from the sixteen to One. Many cheered (Scoop). Some thought the mine was going insane. Scoop was checking out the portal yesterday morning and dump pocket changes when Mike pointed out a small pile of scrap iron set off to the side. “See”, he said, “this pile has no value and it will be off to the scrappers in the next load.” Scoop was impressed.

    Later that day we met at the post office. Mike shook his head and exclaimed, “What was I thinking during our cleanup project! Remember that useless pile of iron? It sat there for over six weeks and was ready to load up. Yesterday and today the ore cars kept derailing just outside the portal and the crew was figuring the best way to fix the problem. Raising one of the rails seemed better than lowering the other one. I walked over to that useless scrap pile of iron and found a dozen pieces to wedge under the rail. It sure beat rocks or dirt or wood.”

    Go to any mine and you will see stuff, worthless stuff lying around. Maybe those miners have reasons to keep almost everything.

    Rick Montgomery
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    Document, document, document….

    Any time CA and Fed regulations are interpretted by “enforcement” with a different set of eyes and outcome based upon $$$ graft we need to be vigilant and throw it back into their regulatory faces.

    Unequal application of the “law” is ABSOLUTELY being applied to the Original Sixteen to One Mine.

    The criminals responsible will only be taken to task if a sitting State AG has the balls to do his job…but I digress.

    Unequal application of the law is real. FOLLOW THE MONEY and there’s the answer to ID-ing corruption.

    In the mean time….document, document, document….because all of the corruption, when it stays out of the legal snail-trail courts, isn’t in the record.

    cody washburn
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    Re the comment below, I have wondered how Molycorp was able to re-open a mine in CA due to all of the regs and nonsense. Probably they spread $ around where it matters, in back-room deals?

    Would it be worth studying the methods and approach taken by Sutter Gold? It looks like they actually got permission from the Army Corpse of Engineers to fill in wetlands! That seems like an unbelievable thing in CA.

    Not sure how far along they are, but I read this a while ago:

    An Australian bank is willing to loan Sutter Gold Mining Inc. $20 million to dig into that potential. They expect to pay it all back in gold, of course.

    “It’s a great opportunity to return gold production to the Motherlode,” said Cochrane.

    They’ve spent nearly 20 years researching, sampling, and getting permits to meet California’s tough environmental standards, and now Sutter Gold Mining Inc. finally got the funds to find out what these rocks are really worth.

    Stephen Wilson
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    Sutter’s mining plans are to begin production in the 4th quarter of 2012. In addition, Sutter has acquired more nearby claims. The shares have a lid on them around 40 Cents Canadian. An Australian fund over past months have been buying the shares.

    SCOOP
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    Yikes, did Scoop hear about the head scratcher comment below and lack of speculative interest from some of you. So there are opinions out there as to why the Californian gold mines in the Sierra Nevada Mountains are silent. Others’ opinions are: (1) over regulations real and implied from California’s agencies; (2) too long to get permits to operate and too long to get gold production to attract investment; (3) meddling from self-centered and haughty vocal people (those with the soft knowing eyes who predict disasters from most things done by man); (4) nonprofit organization with lawyers in need of work; (5) laziness and fear; (6) and some downright blast that may be true but too nasty to repeat. Thanks for your thoughts. If you have ideas, let’s see them in print.

    SCOOP
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    From an outsiders view the Sixteen crew has had a full plate of surface work recently. The main piece of equipment is a Cat 966 front end loader. It looked so funny until Friday. The bucket cutting edge was curled up like an umbrella. Messing with quartz and other hard rocks takes its toll. But Friday it showed up outside the locked gate to the mine property with a sleek shinny repaired bucket. For those miners working in the Sierra Nevada, it is a must to get all equipment in shape before winter. Two weeks ago Mike’s truck was seen on Highway 49 transporting the huge tire and rim off the loader to town. The unit must weigh 500 pounds and it is a chore to change a tire, especially in the snow. Keep it up, boys and your winter may pass without the problems of past years.

    The Northern California historic car club drove up to Alleghany and was it a show. Their destination was the mine. This group drove their old cars down the dirt road to the mine. Scoop was invited and laughed to see the 1915 and 1922-28 Fords bounce up and down the road. The drivers said they could go where todays four wheel drive cars and trucks cannot. Ford should do a commercial at the mine site. It would be highly entertaining and viewers would wait to see real Fords doing real work.

    It remains a head scratcher that so few are actually mining in California. Let me repeat! “It remains a head scratcher that so few are actually mining in California.” There is gold in them there mountains. Apparently there is no interest from the purveyors of one necessary ingredient of mining: speculative investment. Scoop says, “It don’t matter. The Sixteen to One continues to shine. Not as bright as it did at the end of the Twentieth Century. One day the whoop of joy and satisfaction will reach the outside world and those boys working underground will daylight sacks of quartz and gold.”

    SCOOP
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    Congratulations for an enjoyable day in Alleghany. For Sixteen to One shareholders the day began under cold and cloudy skies. It ended with sun and wind and memories of a rare opportunity to see an actual underground working heading, feel the freshly broken quartz and smell the waste from explosives used days before to advance the target. First time visitors to the mine site also walked to the fish pond and learned all about mining from the retired hoist operator at the 800 station. Prior to going underground, the guests were encouraged to sign in at the map room in order to see the route of their underground journey.

    Other than a malfunction in the fuel pump of the RED TRUCK, used for onsite transportation, it appeared to be smooth event. Then, the 100 plus visitors were encouraged to drive to the museum. Ed, a shareholder from Nebraska, had his personal gold collection on display. Ed has collected it over a fifty year time span and is it a site to see. It may rival other gold collections for its variety and presentation of provenance.

    The annual shareholder’s meeting has been held in Alleghany the end of June for years and most likely will be held there in 2013. Plan for it next year. You will not be disappointed.

    Michael Miller
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    Are you coming to Alleghany this Saturday for the annual shareholders’ meeting? It promises to be a grand day both underground and on the surface. Scoop has observed over a month of activity and got a peak at the meeting site and trip to the portal (many improvements from past years). Activities by the crew include: grading, plumbing, electrical, sweeping, mopping, washing, organizing, pitching, moving, cleaning, driving, lifting, cutting, sweating, storing, digging, straightening, breaking, pushing, painting, mucking, drinking (water), questioning, thinking , planning, cussing, bleeding, brushing, bruising, and other activities familiar to hard at work individuals.

    And the weather in northern California is co-operating for a most pleasant day. A cool spell is arriving tonight and by Saturday the expected temperature is in the low 70’s. When it has been pushing 100 outside the past days and during many other shareholders’ meeting, the underground participants loved going in the mine at a cool 50 degrees.

    The tent erecting crew had a rough day. There are two tents: one for gold sales and exhibits and one for food and refreshments. There is also a large sun shade to prote34ct the guests during the meeting. It is a herculean task to get those tents up, which they accomplished after 3 or 4 hours. Scoop walked to the landing mid-afternoon and witnessed a heartbreaking scene. Strong gusts of wind blew through the area and destroyed the shade protection and largest tent. The tent resembled a hot air balloon lifting off. After serious discussion it was agreed that this crew would wait until 5pm Friday to battle the hard ground and obstacles surrounding the meeting place and eating place. Good luck and well wishes!

    If you come to the meeting take a look at the dump pocket outside the portal. Check out the information in the map room and be sure to grab the special 100 year anniversary T-shirts and the special items Mike ordered to celebrate Original’s 100 year existence. Twenty bucks will get you a T shirt or three of those really cool and different items.

    SCOOP
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    Alleghany welcomed about two inches of rain yesterday & into today after highs in the 80’s last week and over the weekend. Rain turned to snow at about 4 am; now a mixture of rain & snow is falling.
    Sadly the town lost Sharron Lloyd on May 31st. She will be missed by many. Our thoughts and prayers are especially with her daughter Cassie.
    The miners continue working on getting the new heading set-up. With such a small crew things always seem to take longer than anticipated, but as in any dangerous job, doing it safely is priority numero uno.

    Stephen Wilson
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    Support your local Sheriff as he or she is for the locals as opposed to the folks who are debasing the Constitution.

    Great story below:

    http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/article_463ba502-6cb6-11df-b804-001cc4c03286.html

    Stephen Wilson
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    Scoop

    Thanks for the updates on the property.

    Concerning our potential to be somewhat energy independent, I considr PG&E’s rejection for us to produce natural clean water power to be completely irresponsible and a act of terrorism against the mine and the local community.

    PG&E being allowed to dictate to us and the folks of Alleghany “what we need” is another complete failure by regulators and proof government has become to big. This whole thing should have been approved on the local level and enforced by the Sheriff who has the ultimate power aside from the State and Federal wishes. Make no mistake about this, the Sheriff has the authority, he just has to believe it.

    Not even allowing us to have, at the least, an emergency source of back-up energy in the case of any serious electrical interruption is quite simply to me, criminal.

    As example of their stupidity: what happens when solar flare activity reaches its greatest intensity in December when electric motors generating electricty become effected and the mine and the city of Alleghany goes black? Wouldn’t the potential of water power be a better bet to keep the mine and the city running?

    Who knows what other natural disasters may be coming our way? Intelligently preparing for the unexpected is how to run a company, a city, a county, a state and a country.

    Even the US government has built a multi-billion dollar facility underground at the Denver Airport in case of potential disasters with their own self generating power source along with other supports to sustain life. Is an electrical producing company telling them what to do?

    Of course, in an emergency we will never be able to gain access to this facility, its for government employees, their families and their friends. So, PG&E because of their their short sightedness or continuing profit motives or complete dumbness have actually reduced our chances to survive emergencies.

    I guess they have the same mental deficiencies that big brother has in handing out our money in the form of million dollar bonuses to the administators of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who have total losses each quarter of $6 billion. What a joke! Not to mention all the other financial handouts of our money to the folks who supported the winners of political elections.

    Someday the power to Alleghany will be cut-off for an undeterminable period of time and that’s just the way its going to be. PG&E is not god. What have they have done by rejecting our Phelton wheel is a crime against the people of the mine and the city of Alleghany, I kid you not.

    martin newkom
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    The name of that water wheel is
    Pelton, invented by Lester A.
    Pelton. He was a member of the
    Masonic group in Camptonville.
    There today is a company, I think
    it was Baldwin Lima Hamilton who
    built impulse turbines used in
    power houses generating power.
    The Company built their turbines
    at their “Pelton” division.

    Stephen Wilson
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    Past interesting comments from the Supreme Court concerning balance of power for the protection of our liberties that the Founding Fathers gave us, one and all.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan192.htm

    SCOOP
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    Two calls asked for more on the weather, inspections and the mine. The weather is always a topic of interest and the past months were no exception. Weather does not affect the underground mine. Conditions are about the same every day and night. Heavy rain caused a lot of damage to the long roads from the mine gate to the portal. Right now an Excavator, back hoe, D-6 dozer, a grader, a dump truck and a 966 Cat front end loader are on the mine site repairing the damage. TV news reports the weather and says, “Scattered showers in the Sierra.” Well, Alleghany took some major hits from those scattered showers. Interestingly, there were no slides affecting the mine roads. Highway 49 and the Ridge Road into Alleghany suffered many slides plus down trees.

    Alleghany also had scattered warm spells during the winter and spring, very few snow storms and only two power outages. Scoop took off on snow shoes two Saturdays ago and last Saturday sweated outside during maintenance chores.

    The announced exploration project is moving ahead with the usual unexpected problems associated with setting up a new heading. The air compressor acted up for three shifts by cutting out , which affects drilling, loading the drill holes and running the mucking machine. Compressed air is the blood of this mine and electricity is its fuel. Too bad that PG&E chose not to support developing the mine’s abundant on site water power. Too much talk about conservation and too little support from both business and government. This mine was green before the concept of green appeared.

    Those inspectors keep showing up: CAL/OSHA and federal MSHA. Mike likes qualified inspectors to help keep the safety standards first rate. Years ago when MSHA first was established the inspectors could make suggestions without writing a citation. Now MSHA has inspectors following other inspectors to snoop around and see if the initial inspector failed to write up a potential citation. Too bad! All these regulating agencies must change from cop/ lawyer/judge/savior mentalities.

    MSHA sent a pleasant young inspector to the mine last month that had no underground mining experience. His two citations are being challenged, which a good process built into the regulations. He saw a crack in a rock and thought the miners’ safety was in danger. The crew bared down the rock, creating a dangerous situation which required placing two stulls in the area. They told the inspector that the situation did not require barring down due to the location and quality of the rock but did the work only because he considered in dangerous. It cost the crew a day. Mike wrote a letter to MSHA and suggested they set up an underground training program at the Sixteen to One so future inspectors without experience in the Sierra Nevada gold mines don’t freak out when they see a crack.

    SCOOP
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    Where has Scoop been lately? Busy as a bee maybe busier!
    An OSHA inspector came up and inspected the mine yesterday. It went well.
    16 to 1 is trading scrap metal for road grading as the road to the mine was in very bad shape. The old D8 that hasn’t been used in close to 20 years was seen leaving Alleghany on a flat bed truck the other day. Wonder how much it weighs?
    The 2011 annual reports should start hitting the “printing press” (copy machine) later today.
    It is raining in Alleghany after a week of incredibly warm weather. On Friday April 13th we awoke to 3 feet of fresh powder on the ground. It melted quickly!!! Looks like spring in the mountains with the daffodils in bloom.

    SCOOP
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    The speed of our web-site is much better on the new host. Some “behind the scenes” work is still being done before we can post regular updates to the page.
    The date for the annual shareholders meeting had been added to the home page before our site “crashed” but vanished since. Just an FYI to our Shareholders, the annual meeting is scheduled for Saturday June 23rd. Date of record for proxies is April 2nd.
    The 2011 10-K (Annual filing) was filed with the SEC timely on March 5th. Send an email to corp@origsix.com if you would like a copy via email.
    Rain, rain and more rain. Most of the snow that we got earlier in the month is gone, but rumor is that more is on the way starting tonight.

    SCOOP
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    Testing, testing, one, two, three. Welcome back to the website. This site first appeared in 1995. For the past ten days, its host failed and was not able or willing to find and fix the problem. Now there is a new host and it is almost half a world away. Our comments are now going to the country of Hungary. Scoop missed the FORUM and is pleased it is back on line. Good luck.

    martin newkom
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    The planning department in Sierra
    County is much like the planning
    staff in Alpine, another small
    county. They’re philosophy is not
    to stiffel and discourage local
    business endeavors but to Enhance
    and Encourage them. My chapeaut
    is off to them and to others like.
    They realize they are working for us and not us for them!!

    SCOOP
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    Big Move Forward for Sixteen to One

    This morning the Sierra County Planning Commission approved the rezoning of the Sixteen to One mine from General Forest to Industrial. The project involves a County initiated Zone Amendment that was included in the County General Plan. Twenty five agencies received notice of the proposed change. None raised environmental concerns. The planning staff findings say, “The proposal will not have a significant adverse effect on the environment and is statutorily exempt from the California Environmental Quality Act.

    The commission took action recommending the Sierra County Supervisors approve the zone amendment project and adopt an ordinance amending the zoning from GF District to IN District pursuant to Sierra County Code 15.32et.seq. Paper will be completed this Spring after another public hearing (required by law).

    Mike Miller testified before the Commission stating that this action is good for the Sixteen to One and also may benefit other mining operations in Sierra County. After the meeting Scoop learned that another significant result from this project is the changes it makes to California’s claim that the Sixteen to One qualifies for regulation under the Surface Mining and Reclamation Act of 1976. Miller has issues with the Department of Conservation enforcement of the position of the agency. “This mine has operated over 100 years and is an underground gold mine not a surface mine. SMARA has a purpose to protect people, communities and the environment; however, it is a stretch to count our mine as one under that law.” Most rural and small counties lean for local control instead of Sacramento’s interpretation of life in the back country. Congratulations to the planning staff and commissioners for their actions today.

    martin newkom
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    Our people in Sierra County who
    have relatives in Sutter Co.(Yuba City) have told us that Sierra Co.seeks to issue a Pension bond which the PERS wants a lot of interest(variable) to float it.
    Umqua Bank features a better deal, it was deternined.
    But why couldn’t the ‘Sixteen’ contract with the County to mine and provide funds for the county to avoid the pension bond and mine enough for themselves to pay their back
    property tax in the process?

    martin newkom
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    Our people in Sierra County who
    have relatives in Sutter Co.(Yuba City) have told us that Sierra Co.seeks to issue a Pension bond which the PERS wants a lot of interest(variable) to float it.
    Umqua Bank features a better deal, it was deternined.
    But why couldn’t the ‘Sixteen’ contract with the County to mine and provide funds for the county to avoid the pension bond and mine enough for themselves to pay their back
    property tax in the process?

    martin newkom
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    Our people in Sierra County who
    have relatives in Sutter Co.(Yuba City) have told us that Sierra Co.seeks to issue a Pension bond which the PERS wants a lot of interest(variable) to float it.
    Umqua Bank features a better deal, it was deternined.
    But why couldn’t the ‘Sixteen’ contract with the County to mine and provide funds for the county to avoid the pension bond and mine enough for themselves to pay their back
    property tax in the process?
    enough gold

    SCOOP
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    A rich cache of historical photographs arrived this week for the Underground Gold Miners Museum thanks to the generosity of a benefactor. We can hope some will find their way to this website. Scoop says “hope” because for almost a month no one has been able to put photographs on the website and nobody seems to know how to solve this problem.

    Pictures include pre fires and before automobiles. It’s the horse and buggy days plodding through the snowy narrow street. China town is visible on the north side of Main Street. There are pictures with early cars and trucks. Sometimes the miners are wearing cloth hats underground. Children are marching in parades along with bands playing. Alleghany is an historic place. History making will return when the gold miners are given an opportunity to mine for gold.

    SCOOP
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    A lawsuit against the Company was filed by the California Department of Conservation on January 6. 2010. The Company was coerced by threats of Surface Mining Reclamation Act fees, penalties and paying for the expenses of government lawyers of $351,000 and the government’s overwhelming power of litigation to settle the odd lawsuit. The lawsuit came as a surprise to the Company because the governing appointed board over the Department of Conservation’s lawsuit never conducted an administration hearing on the matter. Due process, established in California for airing differences with state agencies was denied the Company. “Maybe it is just a sad reflection of the times,” said Michael Miller, who is responsible for authorizing the settlement.

    Rick Montgomery
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    This is of bomb-shell development significance to our Constitutional rights!

    Its actually possible that my use of the above adjective will encarcerate me into eternity for the threat meant only in prosaic terms. In other words: watch what you say, because it may land you in prison.

    Which country am I living in?

    The old lethal bad-guy terrorist definition has just morphed into a new potential for authoritarian definition: POLITICAL TERRORISM, (the phrase predicted here first) although Ayn Rand and George Orwell wrote about the concept, now manifesting into reality.

    In case anyone thinks I’ve gone “off my rocker” please check back (in a personal sense) to see if I’ve been disappeared in the next couple of years. I’m serious. Once a regime re-defines purpose and combines with the cyber technological ability to parse words and phrases, identify and locate the “offenders” and hence target said potential “threats” to the “good of the country”….we’re screwed.

    THE MOST IMPORTANT issue at hand for our freedom at this moment in time is the teeter-totter swing of our courts, and the potential for appointment to the US Supreme Court to be swayed by an opportunistic authoritarian administration hell-bent upon forcing control upon us.

    This is why we vote.

    Stephen Wilson
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    Martin Armstrong weighs in concerning our long established rights:

    http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/Ron%20Paul%20Last%20Hope/index.htm

    Rae Bell
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    Please read the article posted under “News” this morning. Please share.

    Stephen Wilson
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    SCOOP
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    Goodbye to the year 2011. The upcoming year is glorious to ponder. Scoop was seriously conflicted by the hostile pursuits of awful misconduct by California’s civil servants towards the Sixteen to One. Scoop knew more than he could write. Scoop realized the hardships inflicted by both the water agency staff and various public lawyers on the company, mine and its crew. A dark cloud of destruction without the right to face your accusers hung over the mine. Just weeks ago that cloud vanished with the dismissal of the motion for summary judgment. Although legal issues remain, Scoop (who really studied the facts and laws) tells you right now that if the water board and the mine fail to settle the issue, the water board will lose in court. The insanity of this lawsuit is the lawyers claiming that the whole deal is for the People of the State of California. Can you recall what BS means?

    Besides the water lawsuit a second law suit is being prosecuted by the same public agency, California’s Attorney General. Wow, this one is also filed for the People of California. Aren’t they civil servants nice to us! These lawsuits add thousands of dollars to an already insolvent state and by some radical twist of fate the plaintiffs win, there is no money to collect for the people. What are the motivational factors driving this insane bunch of civil servants? Guesses welcomed.

    The second lawsuit seeks money because of allegations that the mine violates surface mining reclamation regulations (SMARA to its followers). Just as the water servants cherry picked the water regulations (Pointed out by the judge in his decision), the social department hired to protect California’s natural resources for the benefit of California is doing the same thing. Is another motion for summary judgment heading towards the beleaguered mine? No, but if Scoop is wrong, the mine owners should seek high monetary damages under a choice of numerous legal bad behavior regulations and laws.

    The 2012 year will be a great one for everyone associated with the 100- year old company and its 150 year old mines. There remains much to do to make this year fantastic. Many other people are needed to move progress but the irrefutable fact, one that has not and cannot be tampered with, is the gold deposit itself. There are few in the world that equals its excitement.

    If you have some time as the old year fades away, scan through the FORUM topics or read the entire NEWS or Newsletter sections or any of the other headings. Think about what it will be like when 30 or 40 miners restart digging for gold.

    To again quote Damon Runyan, Guys and Dolls as Mike did on December 22,2011 under How to Approach Thin Veins & Cost : “The race may not always to be the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that’s the way to bet.”

    Dark clouds have hovered over Alleghany from time to time. They may drop trouble but they always disappear. Maybe it’s just this warm sunny day in winter in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, but Scoop knows that the tide turned last year and a ship of gold is incoming on a fresh tide.

    SCOOP
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    Look at the homepage for some recent postings, to those of you who look here (at the FORUM) first.
    An MSHA inspector showed up last week. Because nobody was working at the mine that day he was not able to complete his inspection.
    Alleghany Volunteer Fire Department had their annual Christmas Party for the kids on Saturday. The weather was incredibly warm for December 17th. People with long-sleeve shirts were peeling them off. A very good turnout. Lots of new young faces in Alleghany, the most recent being born in August of this year.
    There was a Title 22 Refresher class (First Aid for Public Safety Personnel) held at Underground Gold Miners Museum on Sunday. Nine local volunteer firefighters attended.
    The front porch of the historical church in Alleghany was recently replaced. It looks very nice!
    No snow in sight, it is looking as if we will not be having a white Christmas this year.

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