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I find all this very strange. But here ‘s what’s happening here at the mine. Four different men have called wanting to buy “gold dust”. The first two I quickly dispatched… they either were ready buyers of the Brooklyn Bridge or they were ready to see it. Yesterday the one from Sacramento I engaged in conversation. I was okay with my time and thought it would be interesting. His buyer is an American born Korean who has lots of cash and wants gold dust. The man today called from Downieville but lived in Southern California. He seemed like a genuine 60-year-old man who sensed that 2% reward was in the works for him finding gold dust. I told him I could get all he wanted; that there were maybe 200 actual gold producers in the world and they are not dummies. So, why would all these middlemen be necessary to find gold and get it from the real gold producers?
I bet him a beer that his “friend”, which turns out he has known about one month, would soon be asking him for money to get the assay on thousands of ounces of gold dust, blah, blah, blah. He didn’t take my bet…even for a beer! What confidence! Get this. His ultimate buyer is an officer of the New York Mercantile Exchange. What a story someone is telling.
Is there a shortage of gold? Probably yet why would those of us who have it sell it when we are confident that the dip from $1000 to $790 was unrelated to the real demand.
So what is this all about? Business.
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It appears from the following article that demand for physical gold in the form of one ounce bullion coins is picking up worldwide along with silver products.
World’s Largest Gold Refiner Runs Out of Krugerrands (Update1)
By Claudia Carpenter
Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) — Rand Refinery Ltd., the world’s largest gold refinery, ran out of South African Krugerrands after an “unusually large” order from a buyer in Switzerland.
The order was for 5,000 ounces and it will take until Sept. 3 for inventories to be replenished, said Johan Botha, a spokesman for Rand Refinery in Germiston, east of Johannesburg. He declined to identify the buyer.
Coins and bars of precious metals are attracting investors as a haven against a sliding dollar and conflict between Russia and its neighbor Georgia. The U.S. Mint suspended sales of one- ounce “American Eagle” gold coins, Johnson Matthey Plc stopped taking orders for 100-ounce silver bars at its Salt Lake City refinery and Heraeus Holding GmbH has a delivery waiting list of as long as two weeks for orders of gold bars in Europe.
“A lot of people are worried about the dollar, they’re worried about inflation and now we have geopolitical risk with what’s happening in Russia,” said Mark O’Byrne, managing director of brokerage Gold and Silver Investments Ltd. in Dublin. O’Byrne said his company’s sales are up fourfold this year, heading for a record since its founding in 2003.
Gold rose to a record in March and is 25 percent higher than this time last year, while the dollar dropped 7.4 percent against the euro. Silver is up 15 percent in the period.
Salt Lake
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said European Union leaders meeting in Brussels Sept. 1 will discuss sanctions against Russia after it recognized the independence of two regions of Georgia. U.K. Foreign Secretary David Miliband said yesterday Russia was trying to “redraw the map” of Europe.
Johnson Matthey’s Salt Lake City refinery doesn’t have the capacity to meet investor demand for 100-ounce silver bars, said spokesman Ian Godwin in London. He wouldn’t comment on whether the company may expand capacity or end production.
The refinery usually gets orders for 1,000 ounce bars from banks and silver grains from jewelers, Godwin said.
Rand Refinery has manufactured, marketed and delivered more than 46 million ounces of Krugerrands since the gold coin was introduced in 1967, according to the company’s Web site. Krugerrands are minted at the South African Mint from gold coin blanks supplied by Rand Refinery.
Gold for immediate delivery rose $2.29 to $829.19 an ounce by 5:24 p.m. in London. Silver gained 10.5 cents to $13.60.
To contact the reporter on this story: Claudia Carpenter in London at ccarpenter2@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: August 28, 2008 12:44 EDT
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The following is lengthly but important in supplementing our knowledge in understanding how the world is run and why we must own physical gold and silver to protect ourselves.
Don’t Cry for Me Argentina
Save Your Tears For Yourself
Darryl Robert Schoon
Aug 25, 2008While bankers do control the issuance of credit, they cannot control themselves. Bankers are the fatal flaw in their deviously opaque system that has substituted credit for money and debt for savings. The bankers have spread their credit-based system across the world by catering to basic human needs and ambition and greed; and while human needs can be satisfied, ambition and greed cannot – and the bankers’ least of all.
I have a bad feeling about what’s about to happen. The Great Depression is the closest that comes to mind. I, like most, was not alive during the 1930s when it happened. Nonetheless, what once was feared in private is now being discussed in public. It’s going to be bad. It’s going to make high school seem like fun.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
THE NEXT ARGENTINAThis Time is Different: A Panoramic View of Eight Centuries of Financial Crises by University of Maryland’s Carmen Reinhart and Harvard’s Kenneth Rogoff makes for perfect reading when flying between the US and Argentina.
There is perhaps no better analysis than Reinhart and Rogoff’s on the history of sovereign defaults; and, as such, Reinhart and Rogoff’s paper was ideal reading material when traveling between the US and Argentina, for the sovereign defaults that happened in the past to Argentina will soon be happening to the US.
But a US default will make Argentina’s debt defaults pale both by comparison and consequence. The US, unlike Argentina, is the world’s largest economy, the issuer of the world’s reserve currency and the world’s largest debtor – and a default by the US on its debt will shake the very foundations of our increasingly fragile global economy.
SOVERIGN DEBT
LIQUIDATING AMBITIONThe power of ambition is extraordinary. The power of ambition transformed the US from the world’s only creditor after WWII into the world’s largest debtor in less than fifty years. Wanting to emulate England’s 19th century empire in the 20th, the US instead has mirrored England decline in the 20th century here in the 21st.
Credit and borrowing fueled America’s ambitions in the 20th century as it had England’s in the 18th and 19th. During the 1980s, to pay for President Reagan expansion of the military, the US quadrupled its national debt in less than a decade by borrowing three trillion dollars during a presidency pledged to balance the budget.
When Reagan took office, US debt totaled one trillion dollars. When Reagan left office, US debt totaled four trillion dollars. Reagan’s vaunted slogan of fiscal conservatism was just that – a slogan; and while talk is cheap, the debts now have to be repaid.
Just as the costs of WWI forced England to abandon the gold standard in the early 1900s, post WWII military spending forced the US to suspend the convertibility of the US dollar to gold in 1971; and the consequences, e.g. burgeoning trade deficits and global currency instability, are now putting unsustainable strains on a financial system already in extremis.
Ambition has its price and the bill is now due and owing. The question is: how will the US pay what it owes? In Hyman Minsky’s Financial Instability Model, the US is close to “Ponzi status” if not already there since the US is having to roll its debt forward and borrow from others to pay the interest as it can no longer pay down the principle.
In 2006, in an article published by the St Louis Federal Reserve Bank, Professor Laurence Kotlikoff stated the US was “technically bankrupt” as there was no way the US could pay the $65.9 trillion it owed.
Evidently, Professor Kotlikoff was conservative in his estimate or we’re going downhill faster than he knew. Just three months ago, on May 28, 2008 Richard W. Fisher, President and CEO of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank estimated the obligations of the US to be actually $99.2 trillion, 50 % higher than Kotlikoff’s figures.
Fisher stated:
“In the distance, I see a frightful storm brewing in the form of untethered government debt. I choose the words – “frightful storm” – deliberately to avoid hyperbole. Unless we take steps to deal with it, the long-term fiscal situation of the federal government will be unimaginably more devastating to our economic prosperity than the subprime debacle and the recent debauching of credit markets that we are now working so hard to correct.”
Fisher should know what the US owes and the danger that sum represents. As President and CEO of the Dallas Federal Reserve Bank, Fisher is a part of the Federal Reserve System – the very system that has indebted America into perpetuity when its credit-based money forced out gold and silver based money in 1913.
But in his speech Fisher said nothing about the role the Federal Reserve has played in America’s fatal dance with debt, warning instead about the increasing costs of entitlements such as Social Security and Medicare.
Fisher is part of a larger effort to now blame America’s entitlements as the primary cause of our problems, assiduously avoiding the role his own Federal Reserve Bank has played in sinking our once wealthy nation into perpetual indebtedness.
In truth, the entitlement program that poses the greatest threat to America is – and always has been – the Federal Reserve System. Without the Federal Reserve’s credit-based money whose compounding interest (paid to the bankers) is obliged to be paid for by a possibly unconstitutional US income tax [note: the Federal Reserve Act and Federal Income Tax were both instituted the same year in 1913], the US would not be indebted and bankrupt as it is now.
If Ben Bernanke and Richard Fisher et. al. at the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank resigned and stopped plundering the US for their own benefit at the expense of the public in order to line the pockets of their banker friends with public funds, the US might have a chance of successfully getting out of this mess.
But, of course, they won’t and the now privately controlled US government will continue to indebt the American public so insiders can continue to profit immensely at the public trough. But the question still remains, how will the US pay its unpayable debt? The answer is as clear as it is obvious. It won’t because it can’t.
DEBT & DESTRUCTION SOUTH OF THE BORDER
In their well-researched paper, Serial Defaults and Its Remedies, Reinhart and Rogoff write “Cycles in capital flows to emerging markets have now been with us for two hundred years”. If we are to understand the dynamics of serial default, it would do us well to look at these cycles and their relevance to what is happening today.
Serial Defaults and Its Remedies, Section 2. Capital Flow Cycles and the Syndrome of “This Time Is Different”:
…a pattern of borrowing followed by crisis is evident in the string of defaults during 1826-28 in Latin America that come on the heels of the first wave of massive capital flows from Britain into Latin America in 1822-25A second wave of capital flows from Britain came during the 1850s and 1860s. The cycle ended with the crisis of 1873. The next wave of capital flows into emerging markets coincided with the shift of the financial epicenter of the world from London to New York. Among Latin American countries, the borrowing binge of 1925-28 was [financed] with “cheap” money from New York. Capital flows peaked in 1928, the year before the U.S. Stock market crash ushered in financial and currency crises around the world and eventually an international debt crisis during 1929-33.Argentina is at the very epicenter of Latin America borrowings and defaults and a cursory judgment may well lay the blame for such on Argentina. But understanding the past is akin to sedimentary sampling and a deeper reading of events reveals far more than the too familiar story of a spendthrift deadbeat nation borrowing more than prudence would otherwise dictate.
The capital flows from England and the US in the last two hundred years to Latin America were flows of credit, not money. The distinction is critical in understanding what has happened during the last two centuries. It explains the basis of the British Empire and current American power. It also explains the exploitation of Argentina.
The British Empire was founded on the central bank invention of credit-based money and the subsequent ability to substitute this new “money” for costly gold and silver; and the issuance of paper money allegedly backed by gold and silver is a critical component in the confidence game of central bankers to pass off their printed coupons as the real thing.
What the private bankers accomplished with the creation of the Bank of England was the government’s “legitimization” of the bankers’ new credit based coupons, sic paper money – coupons upon which the private bankers could now charge interest just as they had when loaning actual gold (what a wonderful scam). The new coupons were a lot easier to come by, especially when the king gave them a monopoly over its issuance.
The advantage to the king was that the king now had an unlimited supply of “money” that could be used to finance his wars – wars which led to the establishment of the British Empire; the cost of which was transferred directly as a burden to the people as the new counterfeit debt-based money was now an obligation of the state, not of the king.
This was the genesis (genius to the bankers and government) of the modern income tax where the people are forced to pay interest on the credit-based money issued by their own government. This was also the beginning of credit-based markets, deceptively called capitalism in order to closely identify the newly counterfeit credit based economy with the real money it had replaced.
CAPITALISM
THE SPREAD OF DEBT IN DISGUISEThe flow of credit from England and then from its surrogate successor, the US, to developing nations such as Argentina was but the flow of printed coupons designed to harness and indebt the wealth and productivity of new lands.
The “capital” was really only credit, thinly disguised debt in the form of paper money originally issued by central banks, the Bank of England in Britain and the Federal Reserve Bank in the US, the twin towers of monetary Mordor.
The wonderfully sounding idea of unfettered capitalism is but a smokescreen for bankers to leverage their coupons in the form of credit and thereby indebt and control the productivity and wealth of others. As such, it has accomplished its goal admirably but its success will now cost the bankers dearly.
Three centuries of indebting nations, businesses, and the citizenry with constantly compounding debt is no longer sustainable. This is why central bankers in London, New York, Paris, and Tokyo are in such distress. Debtors can no longer pay their debts, defaults are on the rise and bankers may actually have to find real jobs if their confidence game continues to disintegrate.
BANKERS’ FEARS
Lawrence Summers’ credentials as a banker are impeccable. Educated at MIT and Harvard in economics, Summers has served as Chief Economist for the World Bank, US Secretary of the Treasury and President of Harvard University.
Recently, in March 2008, Summers stated:
…we are facing the most serious combination of macroeconomic and financial stresses that the U.S. has faced in a generation–and possibly, much longer than thatIt’s a grave mistake to believe in the self-equilibrating properties of economies in the face of large shocks. Markets balance fear and greed. And when fear takes over, the capacity for self-stabilization is not one that can be relied upon.On June 29, 2008 the Financial Times quoted Summers:
…we are in an economic environment where we have more to fear than fear itselfLawrence Summer’s fears are not to be taken lightly. They are the banker’s equivalent of Jim Cramer’s televised fit of fear when interviewed on CNBC last year, see youtube.
While Summers is rightfully fearful of the current economic environment, the rest of us have far more to fear from bankers like Lawrence Summers and others like him. Summer’s role in the manipulation of the price of gold is found in his 1988 paper Gibson’s Paradox and the Gold Standard co-authored with Robert Barsky, published in the Journal of Political Economy (vol. 96, June 1988, pp. 528-550).
The hubris of bankers such as Summers is stunning. Fixing the price of gold hoping to control interest rates and prices is like fixing the temperature of thermometers hoping to control global warming. Such is the short reach of Summers’ considerable intellect.
EVIL BANKERS
FACT OR FICTION?But the real danger of bankers like Lawrence Summers lies not in their untethered intellect but in their cold ambition and selfish greed that sees nations and people as but living fodder to be milked, used and discarded as they and others profit.
In 1991, Summers issued the following memo while serving as Chief Economist at the World Bank:
…developed countries ought to export more pollution to developing countries because these countries would incur the lowest cost from the pollution in terms of lost wages of people made ill or killed by the pollution due to the fact that wages are so low in developing countries… the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable and we should face up to that.
As the World Bank’s Chief Economist, Summer’s memo is a chilling reflection of the heartlessness that lies at the core of bankers and banking establishments. The World Bank itself seems to be a favorite watering hole for those of questionable intent.
Robert McNamara, the architect of the Vietnam War was President of the World Bank as was Paul Wolfowitz, the architect of the Iraq War. The current President of the World Bank, Robert Zoellick, is also an ardent supporter of the Iraq War (also on Zoellick’s considerable list of “credits” is his service as advisor to Enron, his membership on the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission and his attendance at the secretive Bilderberg meetings from 1991 to the present and his role as Senior International Advisor to investment bank Goldman Sachs).
It is no coincidence that those heading the World Bank are closely associated with America’s vast war machine. Bankers have profited from fueling the military ambitions of both England and the US for the past two centuries and continue to do so today.
But perhaps the most damning indictment yet of the World Bank and today’s bankers is John Perkins’s Confessions of an Economic Hitman (Barrett Koehler, 2004) in which Perkins reveals the hidden intent of the World Bank and US bankers to cold-bloodedly indebt third world countries such as Argentina and profit by their misery.
In their review of Confessions of an Economic Hitman, Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman write:
Remember Smedley Butler?
He was perhaps the most decorated Major General in Marine Corps history. In the early part of this century, he fought and killed for the United States around the world. Butler was awarded two Congressional Medals of Honor.
Then, when he returned to the United States he wrote a book titled “War Is A Racket” which opens with the memorable lines: “War is a racket. It always has been.”
“I was a high class muscleman for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers,” Butler said. “In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.”
In a speech in 1933, Butler said the following:
“I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.”Smedley Butler, meet John Perkins.
Perkins has just written a book, “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” (Barrett Koehler, 2004). It is the War is A Racket for our times. Some of it is hard to believe. You be the judge.
In 1968, after graduating from Boston University, Perkins joined the Peace Corps and was sent to Ecuador. There, he was recruited by the National Security Agency (NSA) and hired by an international consulting firm, Chas. T. Main in Boston.
Soon after beginning his job in Boston, “I was contacted by a woman named Claudine who became my trainer as an economic hit man.” Perkins assumed the woman worked for the NSA.
“She said she was sent to help me and to train me,” Perkins said. “She is extremely beautiful, sensual, seductive, intelligent. Her job was to convince me to become an economic hit man, holding out these three drugs — sex, drugs and money. And then she wanted to let me know that I was getting into a dirty business. And I shouldn’t go off on my first assignment, which was going to be Indonesia, and start doing this unless I knew that I was going to continue doing it, and once I was in I was in for life.”
Perkins worked for Main from 1970 to 1980. His job was to convince the governments of the third world countries and the banks to make deals where huge loans were given to these countries to develop infrastructure projects. And a condition of the loan was that a large share of the money went back to the big construction companies in the USA – the Bechtels and Halliburtons.
The loans would plunge the countries into debts that would be impossible to pay off.
“The system is set up such that the countries are so deep in debt that they can’t repay their debt,” Perkins said. “When the U.S. government wants favors from them, like votes in the United Nations or troops in Iraq, or in many, many cases, their resources – their oil, their canal, in the case of Panama, we go to them and say – look, you can’t pay off your debts, therefore sell your oil at a very low price to our oil companies. Today, tremendous pressure is being put on Ecuador, for example, to sell off its Amazonian rainforest — very precious, very fragile places, inhabited by indigenous people whose cultures are being destroyed by the oil companies.”
When a leader of a country refuses to cooperate with economic hit men like Perkins, the jackals from the CIA are called in. Perkins said that both Omar Torrijos of Panama and Jaime Boldos of Ecuador — both men he worked with – refused to play the game with the U.S. and both were cut down by the CIA — Torrijos when his airplane blew up, and Roldos when his helicopter exploded, within three months of each other in 1981.
If the CIA jackals don’t do the job, then the U.S. Marines are sent in — Butler’s “racketeers for capitalism.”Perkins also gives lurid details of how he pimped for a Saudi prince in the 1970s, in an effort to get the Saudi royal family to enter an elaborate deal in which the U.S. would protect the House of Saud. In exchange, the Saudis agreed to stabilize oil prices and use their oil money to purchase Treasury bonds, the interest on which would be used to pay U.S. construction firms like Bechtel to build Saudi cities.
For years, Perkins wanted to stop being an economic hit man and write a tell-all book. He quit Main in 1980, only to be lured back with megabucks as a consultant. He testified in favor of the Seabrook Nuclear power plant (“my most infamous assignment”) in the 1980s, but the experience pushed him out of the business, and he started an alternative energy firm.
When word got out in the 1990s that he was starting to write a tell-all book, he was approached by the president of Stone & Webster, a big engineering firm.
Over seven years, Stone & Webster paid Perkins $500,000 to do nothing.
“At that first meeting, the president of the company mentioned some of the books that I had written about indigenous people and said — that’s nice, that’s fine, keep doing your non-profit work,” Perkins told us. “We approve of that, but you certainly would never write about this industry, would you? And I assured him that I wouldn’t.”Perkins assumes the money was a bribe to get him not to write the book.
But he has written the book.
You be the judge.
Evil bankers? Fact or Fiction? You be the judge.
DEFAULT OR JUST DEADBEATS
While Reinhart’s and Rogoff’s work on sovereign default is worthwhile and important, their glaring avoidance of the geopolitical aspect of credit flows from England and the US to Latin America and other developing regions is indicative of the blind eye scholars turn to the activities of those who pay them.
Lawrence Summers was President of Harvard University where Kenneth Rogoff is now employed. It is not likely those who hired the likes of Summers would look kindly upon Rogoff should he begin asking questions whose answers would lead to truths Harvard’s trustees would rather not see the light of day.
So instead of dealing with the critical issues raised by John Perkins, Reinhart and Rogoff consider the phenomena of sovereign defaults as an innocent rite of passage much like high school through which developing economies must pass. Perhaps it is so, perhaps not.
But their “trained” eye wanders a bit, even to an untrained eye such as mine. According to Reinhart and Rogoff, the US is a “default virgin”, sic the US has never missed a debt repayment or rescheduled on at least one occasion. While this is strictly so, the US is nonetheless at the center of the largest default in monetary history.
In the 1970s, the US defaulted on its gold obligations under the Bretton-Woods Agreement. After overspending the greatest hoard of gold in history, 21,775 tons, between 1949 and 1971, the US had 7,000-8,000 tons of gold left and still owed perhaps over 31,000 tons to others.
In 1973, when the US officially refused to convert US dollars held by other countries to gold, it was the biggest monetary default ever. In that one act, as a consequence the entire global monetary system shifted from a gold-based system to a fiat-paper system.
Of the US default on its gold obligations, Professor Antal Fekete wrote in June 2008:
Thirty-five years ago gold, symbol of permanence, was chased out from the Monetary Garden of Eden, replaced by the floating irredeemable dollar as the pillar of the international monetary system. That’s right: a floating pillar. The gold demonetization exercise was a farce. It was designed as a fig leaf to cover up the ugly default of the U.S. government on its gold-redeemable sight obligations to foreigners. The word ‘default’ itself was put under taboo even though it punctured big holes in the balance sheet of every central bank of the world, as its dollar-denominated assets sank in value in terms of anything but the dollar itself. These banks were not even allowed to say ‘ouch’ as they were looking at the damage to their balance sheets caused by the default. They just had to swallow the loss, obediently and dutifully join the singing of the Hallelujah Chorus of sycophants in Washington praising the irredeemable dollar and the Nirvana of synthetic credit.
Debt virgin? Hardly, and whether the US defaulted or not is not just a question of semantics, it is a matter of truth – which, like credit, is now surprisingly hard to come by.
THIS TIME IT’S DIFFERENT
Carmen Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff’s paper, This Time It’s Different, refers to the idea that sovereign defaults are a thing of the past. That we have somehow fixed what was wrong and it won’t happen again. Reinhart and Rogoff think otherwise.
But this time, in a different way it really is different. This time default will come to both banker and debtor alike. The bankers’ system itself is now collapsing under the weight of debt that the bankers’ debt-based money has produced.
Banks are finding themselves increasingly bankrupt as are the governments the bankers used to debase the world’s currencies. This time, not only will Argentina possibly suffer another sovereign default, so too will its creditor, the US, as will many of the US banks that issued that debt.
The default of the US will remain, however, outside the limited definition of default used by Reinhart and Rogoff. The US will not miss a payment or reschedule its debt. Unlike Argentina, the US prints the currency in which the Argentine and US debt is denominated. The US will print its way out of its debts. Argentina cannot.
Because of the enormity of the US debt, the amount of dollars necessary to print to pay down the debt will lead to the hyperinflation in the US and the destruction of the US dollar. Those who live by the sword sometimes die by the sword – though not often.
In that same article where Professor Kotlikoff estimated US liabilities to be $65.9 trillion, Kotlikoff also wrote:
The United States…appears to be running the same type of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries over the past century.
Maybe this time it isn’t different.
DON’T CRY FOR ME ARGENTINA
SAVE YOUR TEARS FOR YOURSELFIn 1976, the Argentine military overthrew the democratically elected Argentine government. The first to recognize the dictatorship was the US. The second was the International Monetary Fund, and within 24 hours of recognizing the soon-to-be most brutal regime in recent history, the IMF arranged a loan to the military junta.
At the time, Argentina’s external debt totaled $7 billion. When the bloody dictatorship ended with the return of democracy six years later, Argentina’s debt totaled $43 billion, a debt owed mainly to US banks.
The common law concept of caveat emptor has particular relevance here, caveat emptor – Latin, “let the buyer beware”, is a legal precept that buyers must take responsibility for the conditions under which the sale was made.
If you loan to a dictatorship, don’t expect to be repaid if a democracy emerges.
Richard Perle, former US Assistant Secretary of Defense and neoconservative lobbyistRichard Perle who supported the Iraq War said those words shortly after the US invaded Iraq. While it is doubtful Perle believes the same applies for debts incurred by the US supported dictatorship in Argentina, the truth of Perle’s words extend beyond Perle’s situational principles or a lack thereof. In a court of law, an illegal contract cannot be enforced – unless, of course, the court has been bought off.
A critical distinction between the debt “owed” by Argentina and the debts owed by the US is that Argentina’s debt was illegally imposed upon Argentina by the IMF, the US and international bankers without the consent of the Argentine citizenry, The US debt, however, was incurred with the consent of the American people – or was it?
That, my fellow Americans, is a $99.2 trillion question.
BANKRUPT BE THE BONDS THAT BIND
Americans with their outstanding obligations now measured in trillions of dollars of outstanding US bonds have much in common with the Argentine people. We have both been enslaved and bankrupted by the same financial system.
While it is impossible for the debt burdened Argentines to do something about US banks, it is not impossible for Americans to do so. The US Federal Reserve Bank – the largest emitter of debt-based money in the world – while not an official US government agency is nonetheless still subject to the rules and laws of our land.
STIRRINGS IN THE ELECTORATE
Dissatisfaction, the beginning of change, is now occurring. The two political polarities are finally awakening to the fact that both have been callously used by those in power. The US has lurched right then left then right again, but it continues to go in the same disturbing direction, a direction now equally distasteful to those on the left and on the right.
In modern democracies, successful politicians must possess two qualities: They must say what the people want to hear and they must do what those in power want done.
It has been easy to manipulate those on the right as well as those on the left. The Republicans and Democrats have done so for years. But where’s the beef? The nation’s finances have been even more badly managed by the Republicans than the Democrats – and Iraq? Sure, vote for the Democrats and stay mired in a conflict they promised they would end.
Both parties are controlled by the same money, the same money that now controls global governments and institutions such as the World Bank and the IMF, the same money that buys politicians, scholars, the military, lawyers, TV anchors, radio talk show hosts and anyone else whose influence they can use for their own ends.
There is a reason why we are indebted as we are and there is a reason why we are mired in a war that one wants except the few that do, the few that now control our nation and many others. In the midst of this most unreasonable world, there are reasons – whether you want to know them or not.
Humanity now finds itself at the beginning of a profound shift, a shift that will force us – if we are to survive, if we are to triumph – to put aside our differences to accomplish together what we obviously cannot accomplish apart.
The two political polarities must find common ground or they will soon find there is no ground at all. What is happening is bigger than money and power although it involves both. It involves humanity, it involves all of us and unless we find each other we will soon find there will be nothing left to find at all.
We are closer to the end than to the beginning. Keep your own counsel. Buy gold and silver. Keep the faith.
In Argentina, I read in a recent issue of Scientific American that physicists now believe that in the beginning of time the Universe was only one centimeter across. That knowledge heartened me. We have come a long way.
Note: I will be speaking at Professor Fekete’s last session of Gold Standard University Live to be held in Canberra, Australia from November 11th to the 14th. The focus of the session will be trading the gold and silver basis for profit. For further details, contact feketeaustralia@yahoo.com.
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Schoon Archivein reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3305Last on gold is $820.60
It was reported that the U.S. Mint was no longer selling platinum coins, this was erroneous.
The Mint continues to still offer these coins in all denominations: tenth of an ounce, quarter of an ounce, half ounce and the full ounce.
The Mint stated today that they are beginning to take orders again for gold coins(the one ounce Eagles) on a limited basis.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3303Last sale on gold is $829.60.
More on gold coin shortage from the mint as was reported August 21, 2008:
Blanchard and Co., one of the largest U.S. retail dealers of rare coins and precious metals, said the American Eagle and American Buffalo one-ounce gold coins are sold out.
“Nobody has the Eagles or the Buffaloes right now. We bought 2,000 ounces late last week, and those were the last 2,000 ounces that we can find in the marketplace,” said David Beahm, vice president of New Orleans-based Blanchard.
“If we don’t have them, nobody has them,” Beahm said. He added that he has been recommending customers to buy the one-ounce Canadian Gold Maple Leaf gold coin instead.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3302Gold $823.00 off $12.60
Silver $13.39 off $ 0.44
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.48
Gold/Silver Ratio 61.46In the previous article by Mr. Richard Smith it appears on the surface that the writer exhibits lack of respect for Mr. Powell who in the past has been very supportive of the gold community and who has assisted with Mr. Jim Puplava at financialsense.com in drawing attention to the illegal naked short selling of gold and silver related companies resulting in sizable investor losses.
Although Mr. Smith has supplied with his commentary some good data on mint production levels and informative production procedures he comes across as being naive.
Do we believe him that markets aren’t manipulated? Do we believe him that there is only a temporary shortage from ther mint? Mr. Jim Sinclair reports that he is hearing from all parts of the world that there is a physical shortage of bullion coins. Do we really believe free markets exist anymore with all the government interference? Well, Mr. Smith does.
The following is Mr. Powell’s polite response in regards to Mr. Smith’s attacks:
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Submitted by cpowell on Tue, 2008-08-19 19:39. Section: Daily Dispatches
3:30p ET Tuesday, August 19, 2008Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:
Richard Smith, proprietor of Coin and Stamp Gallery Inc. in Phoenix and its Internet site, Only Gold, has written an essay purporting to dispute GATA’s interpretation of the U.S. Mint’s suspension of sales of gold eagle coins. GATA construed this as more evidence that the futures price of gold on the commodities exchanges does not represent the price of the real metal. (See http://www.gata.org/node/6489.) Smith’s response is headlined “Remember GATA? Another Gold Conspiracy Unveiled,” and you can find it here:
http://www.onlygold.com/ArchivesPages/HomePageArticleFound.asp
But even Smith observes that the Mint cannot keep up with demand for gold eagles, even as the futures price of gold has been plunging, which ordinarily would indicate a collapse in demand. In any case, GATA’s complaint, to which Smith objects, was aimed not at the Mint but at the futures markets and the financial institutions and governments that manipulate them.
While Smith writes that an official statement from the Mint about its suspension of gold eagle sales is expected shortly, your secretary/treasurer telephoned the Mint’s public information office on Friday and again on Monday in search of such a statement and was promised calls back, but no calls back have been made. Your secretary/treasurer now has his congressman’s office trying to get an official explanation from the Mint.
Any government agency operating on the level should be able to do far better than this. What the Mint announces to coin dealers privately it should be able to announce to the public simultaneously. After all, the Mint has a very nice Internet site with a section for press releases:
http://www.usmint.gov/pressroom/
But as of this hour the Mint has posted nothing about the suspension of gold eagle sales and refuses to return telephone calls from the public seeking information on the subject.
Once again, where gold is concerned, government does not seem to be operating on the level, and nobody on gold’s side should be making excuses for it.
CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3301Last on gold is $823.70
The following is an article written by Mr. Richard Smith a Phoenix gold dealer in addressing the bullion coin shortage and certain remarks made by Mr. Chris Powell, secretay/treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee(GATA):
A dig at GATA from a U.S. gold coin dealer over assumptions it has made, and publicised, regarding the U.S. Mint’s recent suspension of 1 ounce Gold Eagle sales. All credit to GATA though in that it has linked to this article on its own website too(Mineweb).
Author: Richard Smith*
Posted: Wednesday , 20 Aug 2008PHOENIX –
Last Thursday, the US Mint notified its bullion distributors that the 1-ounce size gold Eagles were out of stock and temporarily not on offer for a while, with more details to follow early this week. Then the fun began…
From time to time, the bullion division of the US Mint suspends sales of one product or another, usually due to some production glitch or shortage of blanks. This week word came out that one-ounce gold Eagles would temporarily be unavailable. (As gold coin dealers, at this time, we have plenty of Eagles in stock, with more coming to us through distribution channels.)
Somehow, the coin publication “Numismatic News” picked up this story and sent it out to their email subscribers. No US Mint sources were cited for the story, but instead they quoted an ‘explanation’ provided by Chris Powell, still holding forth under the banner of the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee. Remember GATA?
Under the headline, “U.S. Mint suspends gold coin sales: futures price is a fiction,” Chris Powell of GATA wrote Friday:
“The U.S. Mint has suspended sales of American eagle gold coins and is refusing orders from dealers, two coin and bullion dealers confirmed Thursday.”
Mr. Powell goes on to say that:
“The suspension is overwhelming evidence that the futures contract price of gold on the commodities exchanges is substantially below the physical market price and that, indeed, the commodities exchanges are being used as GATA long has maintained — as part of a massive scheme of manipulation of the precious metals, currency, and bond markets.”
In order to separate fiction from truth, let’s start with the fact that the US Mint did not suspend all gold coin sales, or even all bullion gold coin sales, but is only temporarily suspending sales of one size (1-ounce) of one product (the gold Eagle).
Word is that the Mint is temporarily out of planchets (round gold blanks of proper coinage weight and .917 fineness), and that more information will be provided as to when sales of the 1-ounce gold Eagle will re-start.
In the meantime, gold bullion is available in many forms of coins and bars from all over the world, at prices based on, yes, commodities futures trading. Even the US Mint is offering some, including the .9999 pure gold 1-ounce “Buffalo” bullion coin (a product the Mint first launched in 2006), and the .917 fine gold Eagles in half-, quarter-, and tenth-ounce sizes.
So what really happened? How does an institution such as the US Mint run out of the gold raw materials from which it strikes the most popular size of its most successful bullion coin product?
In this instance, the Mint is the victim of its own success. Demand for gold Eagles has skyrocketed lately, and some 287,500 1-ounce gold Eagles have been sold by the US Mint since January. This year the Mint’s average monthly sales of 1-ounce gold Eagles is some 36,000, compared with a little over 12,000 coins a month in 2007. When the Mint temporarily suspended sales of gold Eagles on 8/14/08, some 60,000 coins had already been delivered in the first two weeks of August alone.
This latest glitch by the US Mint is hardly evidence that “the commodities exchanges are being used as… part of a massive scheme of manipulation of the precious metals, currency, and bond markets.” In fact, the US Mint is turning out Eagles at a pace not seen since 1999. See U.S. Mint Sales
It’s no wonder that the Mint would run out at that rate. Gold blank production is outsourced by the Mint, and the Mint orders them ahead of time according to expected demand. But when sales triple in a few weeks time, some delays can be expected.
When the Mint places an order, gold strips are prepared, blanks are punched out, then weighed, finished, packaged, and shipped via secure carrier to the Mint’s facility at West Point, New York, where they are struck into gold Eagles, then inspected, tubed, counted, and boxed.
This process can take a few days. It’s not like running out of chocolate chip cookies at lunchtime, and going to the store for more chocolate, butter, and flour, so you can have another batch ready in time for dinner.
It cannot be unknown to Chris Powell and GATA that billions of dollars worth of physical gold are bought, sold, and exchanged every week, all over the world, in the form of finished bullion, coins, jewelry, mine bars, and recycled gold scrap, based on the very futures prices which Mr. Powell calls a “fiction.”
Not to be too hard on GATA – they stood up for gold in the days when no one cared much about the shiny yellow metal one way or the other. Around the turn of the last century, when gold was $255 per ounce and The Powers That Be were putting on that gold was just an obsolete metal, an anachronism from days gone by, GATA uncovered and published a lot of factual evidence that gold prices were being held down intentionally by the US Treasury and the Fed, in cahoots with central bankers the world over
Back then, no organization was more loved and respected by the then-tiny US gold- bug community than the Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee. The organization’s self-aware ‘tilting at windmills’ image had a sort of charm to it, and their noble protests of gold price manipulation had a certain resonance and underdog appeal.
Today, Mr. Powell’s pique is understandable, coming during one of the worst weeks for precious metals in modern memory. During the week just past, gold lost 8.39%, silver tumbled 22.9%, platinum was down 10.8%, and palladium shed some 16.7%, all in five days time. These sorts of number suggest a washout in the current downdraft in precious metals prices.
Why? There is fairly universal agreement that the credit crunch that celebrated its first birthday this month is a slow-moving train wreck that will take at least a couple of years to come to its ugly end. This has helped tip the US into a recession, Europe is heading there fast, and oil and most commodities are down sharply over the past few months. All these factors have helped to relieve inflationary pressures on prices. In a nutshell, the prospect of potential deflation is the current ‘story’ behind the past few months’ swoon in the precious metals.
The loss in value this week of All the Gold in the World (AGIW) came to some US$300 billion. Total losses to AGIW since March 17th’s London fix of $1011.25 now exceed US$1.049 trillion dollars ($1,049,000,000,000.00). That’s probably nowhere near the aggregate world-wide loss in real estate value over that same time period, but a big chunk of change nonetheless.
This is how free markets work, and no one, including Mr. Powell, is obligated to sell his gold when prices don’t suit him. In fact, the beauty part of these ‘manipulative’ commodities exchanges is that they make it possible for he, or anyone else in a free country, to buy gold for some 28% less than it would have cost on March 17th. To label that reality a ‘fiction’ is either disingenuous nonsense or a sign of deep denial about how the world works.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3304Last on gold is $822.40
Bankers Caused Collapse In Gold And Silver Markets
It all has to do with pulling maturing CD’s out of the banking system for the safety of gold and silver.
The banker’s answer: Destroy the creditability of gold and silver. It’s all there in Ted Butler’s report that follows.
Will America ever wake up to all this manipulation? Will the Mint produce Gold Eagles again? They have already completely stopped minting platinum bullion coins.
The following post was made at Agoracom.com by a brilliant contributor who presented some thoughts along with Ted Butler’s commentary today:
It is rare indeed for Ted Butler to issue a statement at the end of a week so it must be something extraordinary…
Nothing but manipulation today – VHF
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The Smoking Gun
By: Theodore Butler
Posted 22 August, 2008
For years, the data contained in the weekly Commitment of Traders Report (COT), issued by the CFTC, have indicated that several large COMEX traders have manipulated the price of silver and gold. For an equal number of years, the CFTC has reluctantly responded to public pressure over this issue with blanket denials of any wrongdoing. Many analysts have agreed with the CFTC’s position, conjuring up various ways to explain why a massive short position held by a handful of traders is not manipulative.
The recent widespread shortage of silver for retail purchase coupled with a price collapse appears to have shaken these analysts’ confidence that the COMEX silver market is operating ‘fair and square.’ Well it should, since there is no rational explanation for a significant price decline going hand in hand with product shortages other than collusive manipulation.
For any remaining doubters that COMEX silver and gold pricing is manipulated, the following CFTC data should be considered. This data is taken from a monthly report issued by the CFTC, called the Bank Participation Report. Here’s the link for the report –
http://www.cftc.gov/marketreports/ba… The relevant data is found in the July and August futures sections. I will condense it.
These facts speak for themselves. Here are the facts. As of July 1, 2008, two U.S. banks were short 6,199 contracts of COMEX silver (30,995,000 ounces). As of August 5, 2008, two U.S. banks were short 33,805 contracts of COMEX silver (169,025,000 ounces), an increase of more than five-fold. This is the largest such position by U.S. banks I can find in the data, ever. Between July 14 and August 15th, the price of COMEX silver declined from a peak high of $19.55 (basis September) to a low of $12.22 for a decline of 38%.
For gold, 3 U.S. banks held a short position of 7,787 contracts (778,700 ounces) in July, and 3 U.S. banks held a short position of 86,398 contracts (8,639,800 ounces) in August, an eleven-fold increase and coinciding with a gold price decline of more than $150 per ounce. As was the case with silver, this is the largest short position ever by US banks in the data listed on the CFTC’s site. This was put on as one massive position just before the market collapsed in price.
This data suggests other questions should be answered by banking regulators, the CFTC, or by those analysts who still doubt this market is rigged. Is there a connection between 2 U.S. banks selling an additional 27,606 silver futures contracts (138 million ounces) in a month, followed shortly thereafter by a severe decline in the price of silver? That’s equal to 20% of annual world mine production or the entire COMEX warehouse stockpile, the second largest inventory in the world. How could the concentrated sale of such quantities in such a short time not influence the price?
Is there a connection between 3 U.S. banks selling an additional 78,611 gold futures contracts (7,861,100 ounces) in a month, followed shortly by a severe price decline in gold? That’s equal to 10% of annual world production and amounts to more than $7 billion worth of gold futures being sold by 3 U.S. banks in a month. How can this extraordinary concentrated trading size not be manipulative?
Because prices fell so sharply after the short sales were taken (with the appropriate dirty tricks as I have previously explained) holders of known physical silver in the world suffered a decline in value of more than $2.5 billion and long COMEX silver futures holders suffered a similar $2.5 billion decline in the value of their contracts. In gold, because the dollar value held is much greater than silver, investor losses were much greater, on the order of hundreds of billions of dollars on their physical holdings. Declines in the value of mining shares adds many billions more. Was this loss of value caused by the concentrated short selling of 2 or 3 U.S. banks?
What real legitimate business do 2 or 3 U.S. banks suddenly have for selling short such quantities of speculative instruments over a brief time period? Do we want banks to be engaging in this type of activity? If the manipulation was not successful, would U.S. taxpayers be called on to bail out yet another bank speculation gone bad?
Do the traders who lost money in the recent price collapse of silver have a reason to believe that their money is now in the pockets of these two or three U.S. banks? If so, do they have recourse?
The data in the Bank Participation report is clear and compelling. that it is hard to conclude anything but manipulation. It is beyond credulity to conclude other than two or three banks caused one of the most severe price collapses in precious metals history. The CFTC has a lot to answer for as the regulatory agency responsible for preventing this type of blatant manipulation.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3300Last on gold is $836.50.
The following was submitted to Agoracom.com by a member.
August 20, 2008 article written by Richard J. Green of Clearwater, Florida
The Truth About the Recent PM SMashdown.
Two paragraphs of excerpts from that article:
It’s no wonder precious metals investors are unloading despite swearing they would not be fooled into panicking when the financial system began to come apart at the seams. Make no mistake; what we are seeing in the gold and silver markets is an all out attack by the financial powers that increased in intensity on July 15th when it became apparent that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are, for all intents and purposes, insolvent. Gold investors have been let down in a big way by supposed experts that comment on the gold and silver markets but can not see the most obvious of price suppressions in the history of the financial markets. Just this morning I read another comment on how the creation of the gold and silver ETFs has been a huge boon to gold and silver. While it increased demand due to the ease of acquisition; it has done nothing for the price of gold and silver since supply can now be said to be unlimited by the paper promises as well as centrally located physical stockpiles that can be further leased out. Just try redeeming your promise of silver and gold for actual silver and gold. Not only that, but most commentators completely miss relaying the point to gold and silver investors that at times like now, where systemic risk levels are higher than ever, you want real physical gold and silver in your possession and not the undeliverable promises of a counterparty such as Bear Stearns, for example. Money is now growing on the order of 20% and that is not only in the US but also worldwide. The recent bounce in the dollar has been explained to be a big reason for the decline in gold. You are being sold a story by a dishonest used car salesman. Where the dollar trades versus other paper currencies no longer has any lasting affect whatsoever on any hard assets. They are all declining at an increasing pace toward worthlessness. About the only difference of substance is that they have different colors of ink. Without the option of the ETFs gold would long ago have climbed past $2000 per ounce. I would wager that if only 10% of gold ETF holders sold their position and turned around and bought physical gold that gold would be back over $1000 an ounce in a heartbeat. The spreads that have opened up between the spot and futures market and the physical markets should be setting off alarm bells but you hear very few commentators mentioning it. Two notable exceptions are bullion dealer Franklin Sanders and bullion accumulator and commentator Jason Hommel. Please see Hommel’s silver wisdom.
You do not get a $200 move down in gold and $7 move down in silver in a month’s time, (because they were supposedly in a bubble), and then after everyone and his mother is selling you find it almost impossible to find any actual gold or silver to buy at major dealers across the country. 100 oz. bars on eBay are changing hands at $17 per ounce, over $4 above the spot price. That is a heck of a lot closer to the market price than $12.68 spot which is what the screen says right now but where you can not buy a single ounce of physical silver. After this display anyone that uses the paper markets to invest in gold and silver is just an out and out dummy, plain and simple, and they deserve what they will eventually get… nothing. How speculators can continually line up leveraged positions against bullion banks with unlimited cash backing who in turn repeatedly smack down the markets is a mystery. Unfortunately, the cumulative action of these players is making it tough for the rest of us but at the end of the day it will not matter because we will have our gold and silver or our stocks of the companies that are producing gold and silver and making a lot of money. Even the US mint has suspended production of gold coins. Silver coins are being severely rationed because they can not divert any more silver from the industrial users that must have the physical silver to consume, taking it off the market forever. If you can not see by now, with all this data in hand, that the crash in gold and silver has nothing to do with market-related prices you would have to be a complete imbecile.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3299Last on gold is $812.60
More on bullion coin shortages.
The following exchange was carried on the jsmineset.com website earlier today.
Dear Mr. Sinclair,
Wonder if other CIGA’s have encountered delays in delivery of their gold bullion orders? The dealer I use has posted a message on their website and when called, affirmed that various products are unavailable for delivery for an undetermined length of time. They hope to resume deliveries “within a few weeks”.
Though I am delighted to hear folks are putting money in hard assets and are taking advantage of the current sale, I am wondering what is going on and whether this is something to worry about.
Puzzled in New Jersey,
CIGA AnnetteDear Annette,
I would have simply shrugged this off based on the fact that most local coin dealers as well as majors are in the business to make money without taking risk. As markets fall they do not buy in any significant way. Therefore as gold settles out they have little or no inventory.
They are merchants only at times when it pleases them, yet so many people all over the world are telling me the same story. The only answer is the reaction we just witnessed in paper, not real gold. That would suggest but not prove the bullion market is tight.
Regards,
Jimin reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3298Last on gold is $812.50
Gold continues to rally off a low point from a few days ago in the $775 area where it was learned that the Chinese were big cash buyers.
The following story came out today concerning the vulnerability of the US banking industry:
August 19, 2008
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> Credit crunch may take out large US bank warns former IMF
> chief
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>
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> Gary Duncan, Economics Editor and Leo Lewis, Asia Business
> Correspondent
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> The deepening toll from the global financial crisis could
> trigger the
> failure of a large US bank within months, a respected
> former chief
> economist of the International Monetary Fund claimed today,
> fuelling
> another battering for banking shares.
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> Professor Kenneth Rogoff, a leading academic economist,
> said there was
> yet worse news to come from the worldwide credit crunch and
> financial
> turmoil, particularly in the United States, and that a
> high-profile
> casualty among American banks was highly likely.
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> “The US is not out of the woods. I think the financial
> crisis is at the
> halfway point, perhaps. I would even go further to say the
> worst is to
> come,” Prof Rogoff said at a conference in Singapore.
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> In an ominous warning, he added: “We’re not just
> going to see mid-sized
> banks go under in the next few months, we’re going to
> see a whopper,
> we’re going to see a big one – one of the big
> investment banks or big
> banks,” he said.I sleep well at night with gold and silver. I wonder sometimes how people can sleep with their money in the banks.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3296Gold $797.80 up $11.80
Silver $13.11 up $ 0.41
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.68
Gold/Silver Ratio 60.85In past submissions to the Forum I have stressed that weakness in gold and silver coming from the New York markets is a paper market. The CFTC says that there are adequate supplies of the metals on deposit in vaults but is that really true?
The following is a advisory posted at kitco.com:
IMPORTANT NEW NOTICE: Due to market volatility and higher demand in the entire industry, we are anticipating delays in supply of all bullion products. Please note that you can continue to place orders and prices will be guaranteed; however, cancellation fees will still be applicable regardless of the length of the delay. Consequently once inventory is received there may also be delays in processing and shipping by our vaults.
Where is all the silver?
A report posted to the ECU forum page at Agoracom.com by a member living in Ottawa states that there are no bullion silver coins, silver bars or junk silver available from local coins dealers.
The same member states that coin dealers say that there is an eight week waiting period for these silver products.
It appears that there are two silver markets: a paper commodities market that determines world prices and a physical market where prices are unsure.
While there seems to be great pressure on the price of silver recently at the commodity exchanges with buyers at the retail level finding delivery delays, what is one to think?
One end result here is obvious, the market on physical silver bullion coins will be carrying a far greater premium than what used to be the norm.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3297I saw the same disclaimer this morning when I checked spot. A while ago I related the experience of a shareholder who wanted to take delivery on a 100-ounce commodity contract. He wanted the gold. He never got it and his contract was rolled over or he could take his profit. What is the situation with physical gold? I wish someone would buy a contract (especially now) and take delivery. If anyone out there has done this, please tell us.
I come in contact with gold people over the phone or Internet. After all, the Sixteen to One produced over 1 million ounces of gold. The best part is that knowledgeable geologists are confident at least another million will be accessed with our mine plan. I am actively looking for some working capital and therefore meet people interested in gold. I have heard that physical gold is not easy to come by, which surprises me. Maybe the big mines have liens on their production. I don’t see why there is this difficulty. Again, if someone can shed some light on this specific subject, please do so. Thanks.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3295Gold $786.00 off $19.70
Silver $13.04 off $ 1.10
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.66
Gold/Silver Ratio 60.28Visions of 1976 come to mind today as gold is trading below the $800 level. In August of 1976 I was hearing nothing but negatives concerning gold as it dropped below the $100 mark and was being verbally whipped by every media outlet in town.
Following the oil crisis and Israeli/Egyptian conflict in late 1973, gold topped out at just over $200 an ounce early the following year.
It was in August of 1976 at near $95 that gold made an important low. Not too far in price from where the US abandoned paying gold out for dollars when President Nixon, basically, closed the gold window and effectively took the country off the gold standard on August 15, 1971.
August is seasonally a quiet month in gold for the commercials and one might wonder, why it wouldn’t make sense for the anti-gold miscreants to do their dirty deeds against believers in gold during this time of the year? The element of surprise is an old trick used in making and continuing wars since the beginning of time with degrees of success.
The important point to remember is that the anti-gold legions have successfully won some battles but they continue to lose the major war on gold.
Could it be any coincidence that gold’s unexpected sell-off is going full force this August and could it be the month of another major low for gold like it was back in August of 1976?
In 2006 gold made an important intermediate low in September of 2006 at $555 very near in time of the year to the other mentioned intermediate lows. It would appear reasonable to make the assumption that this year’s sudden weakness will either end today(low so far is $774.90), or in going forward in just a matter of days.
Way far in the distance hidden by media attacks, Jim Sinclair is calling for gold to surpass $1400 an ounce in February of 2009 or possibly a few months later. His superior batting average is in a stand alone category.
Based on the media’s track record they will be wrong again and will have delivered another great dis-service to those who allow their minds to be ravaged with all their continuing arrogant propaganda concerning the doom of gold.
in reply to: Clips from Alleghany #3294The Downieville paper did a
fine job of displaying some
of the specimens. The one at
the bottom of the page (front)
is beautiful!in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3291Last on Gold is $817.10.
The following was posted to the jsminset.com website earlier today.
Jim Sinclair’s Commentary:
Those OTC derivatives continue to humble the once high and mighty. It is far far from over.
UBS swings to loss as customers withdraw cash
Troubled bank plans restructure; new finance chief appointed
By Simon Kennedy, MarketWatchLast update: 10:13 a.m. EDT Aug. 12, 2008LONDON (MarketWatch) — Beleaguered Swiss bank UBS on Tuesday reported a second-quarter loss of 358 million francs ($331 million) and said it would restructure by separating its investment banking and wealth management arms after nervous clients withdrew more cash in the quarter.
The bank’s fourth consecutive quarterly loss compared to a profit of 5.55 billion francs a year earlier and came after it warned in July that its bottom line would be at or slightly below break-even for the quarter.
The latest loss included around $5.1 billion of further write-downs and provisions of $900 million linked to its recent settlement of a U.S. probe into the sale of auction-rate securities.
The bottom line would also have been far worse if it wasn’t for a tax credit of 3.83 billion francs, which was significantly more than the 3 billion franc credit expected.
Shares in the group wavered between gains and losses and were down 0.8% in afternoon trading as investors balanced the weak results against welcome restructuring plans and a further reduction of its remaining exposure to risky debt.
“We would characterize the results themselves as largely disappointing, with weak inflows and underlying investment bank division revenues,” said Matthew Clark, an analyst at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods.
“However, risk asset reductions, governance improvements and proposed separation of the units may be better received,” he added.
More…
in reply to: Clips from Alleghany #3293Hot today and lowish humidity. Cedars and Oaks not happy right now. Summer closing into fall. How about that gold fall!
Date line, Alleghany:A clean SUV with federal license plates parked in front of the office this morning and all afternoon. No other autos. Where was Mike’s truck, “Thunder”? He turned out to be with a MSHA mine inspector. The mine elected to change its operational status to “Maintenance”. This status precipitates changes in the federal regulations. For example, if the maintenance program can be done with no miner employees, does that significantly impact regulations and their interpretations?
Late afternoon the fed auto is gone and Thunder is back, so in goes Scoop .The president spies me and says,” The key with interpreting the regulations for an underground hard rock non-gassy mining operation is a subjective honor. It’s a good practice to keep sometimes and sometimes not, as it applies to each mine site and operation. Honor flows from mining’s ancestral hands and minds.” Scoop leaves shortly.
So, the mine has fresh CAL/OSHA and MSHA inspections, which fell onto the Sixteen to One for the first time as a maintenance operation. Rules stay the same but exceptions, qualifications and interpretations don’t. For no employees the current mining is successful in maintaining its maintenance.
That’s it for now. Scoop has his eyes peeled back and on the autos in the parking lot.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3292Gold $806.90 off $3.90
Silver $14.47 Unch
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.73
Gold/Silver Ratio 55.76Today, 8-12-08, Lawrence Williams from Mineweb made some preposterously suspect comments to their readership:
On the way up to its(gold’s) high point of $1,030.80 an ounce, which now seems almost a distant memory(????), gold was moving up along with the oil price as the dollar sank to unprecedented recent depths. Gold then stuttered as oil continued to rise and the dollar to sink, never regaining its peak, while oil went on to a heady $147 a barrel as the dollar continued its weakness.
It’s now only taken a month for all to change. The dollar is strengthening by the day as the oil bubble has burst(????) and the black gold has lost over 20 percent of its peak value against the dollar – and whether it has dragged gold down with it, or vice versa, gold has also tumbled by over 20%, putting both effectively into defined bear market territory(????).
Most of the above is no more than cheap propaganda.
Mr. Williams makes the case for a poor relative strength performance of gold compared to oil and the dollar but fails to tell the truth why it acted that way: by the help of the cental bankers of the world that are scared to death that a continuing higher gold price will focus suspicion upon their weakening paper currencies.
Mr Williams says that the gold price above $1,000 is a distant memory. The days of gold being fixed at $35 an ounce is a distant memory.
Mr. Williams says that the oil bubble has burst. Please, give your readers some credit for intelligence. The dot.com and housing market were burst bubbles. Oil is in a very strong bull market that just got ahead of itself, nothing more.
The last questioned statement by Mr. Williams has to be the joke of the day: “Putting both(oil and gold) into defined bear market territory.” OK Mr. Williams, why don’t you define your defined bear market territory phraseology? Gold is in a major bull market and has been in it since it traded above $350 some years back. In my opinion, gold would have to close below $400 to be in bear territory again.
If central bankers hadn’t messed with gold’s price since 2001 the royal metal would be selling for well in the excess of $2,000 an ounce.
The central bankers have a license to steal from simple folks like the shareholders of the Sixteen to One Mine: they suppress gold’s price while making our company carry the burden of increasing prices for labor and materials in THEIR inflation that THEY created with THEIR printing presses.
Gold’s last sale is $811.30.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3290Last on Gold is $805.10. The following few sentences are an excerpt taken from a Jim Sinclair commentary on Georgia tonight:
It may well be that the friends of the dollar and enemies of gold are gearing up for the final battle as the dollar bulls fail to see the forces being marshalled against them right outside their windows.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3289Gold $823.00 off $32.50
Silver $14.64 off $0.63
Gold/XAU Ratio 6.02
Gold/Silver Ratio 56.22Gold took a severe beating today closing off $32.50 at $823.00. This is the start of the fourth straight week of declining prices. The weakness has surprised followers of the metal and has freightened many.
Jim Sinclair of jsmineset.com has repeatedly stated that nothing has changed. So, what’s up? He has stated that the OTC derivative problems can’t be fixed.
The problem is that the banking system is in BIG trouble and the Fed is beside themselves in the continuing cashing out of maturing CD’s looking for safe heaven.
Where is this money to go? One place that the Fed doesn’t want it to go is into gold, other precious metals and the producing companies. To their mind, these acts would undermine their power and be counter stabizing to the ailing banking system.
There is nothing more unsettling to the Fed than witnessing long lines of people at banks wanting their money. If you don’t think this is a serious problem just ask the people that lost millions in the IndyMac Bank failure in California that was the second largest bank failure in U.S. history.
The Fed is a member of the powerful Plunge Protection Team which also includes the Treasury, SEC and the CFTC. These people rig markets. The days of free markets in this country are over and maybe others, they just don’t exist anymore.
The proof of this is, why are hedge funds allowed by the SEC to depress prices of precious metal companies with “out of control” naked short selling. This means for the people that don’t understand it that the hedge funds can sell shares that they don’t own or are unable to borrow. To me, this is a crime.
During the past 16 days someone or some entity has been forcing gold lower and they are doing almost all of this selling without physical gold.
In an article in the Wallace Street Journal by David Bond on June 28, 2008 he quoted, in his words, a well placed China guy. The source said:
1- China has a problem. What it would like to do is convert its huge holdings of U.S. dollars and U.S. Treasuries into gold.
In response, Mr. Bond asked the following question:
Then why not start buying gold?
2- We can’t. The minute the word gets out that China is unloading all, or any part, of its $1 trillion in U.S. paper to buy gold, the game is up. Two things happen: the price of gold goes to $10,000 and the current value of the U.S. dollar falls to about 10 cents.
I have attempted to offer guidance based upon interpretation of charts and quoting smart people and presenting articles over the years.
I can not control the suspected negative exploits of the anti-gold element that is currently represented by the PPT to cast mud all over the shinny metal in hopes of dissuading bank withdrawals from being directed into it.
The really sad concern is that as Americans we are witnessing an ugly fact: while our government employees are depressing gold and the producing company’s shares the Chinese are gladly scooping them up in a slow and methodical manner.
The Chinese will not buy in excess of 4.99% of any listed company which negates their obligation to report their new ownership to the SEC as the process continues to divest themselves slowly of the diseased dollar.
I feel like a parrot saying this but you should be buying more gold on this deepening reaction to protect your wealth factor from inflation and to insure your financial future.
Does anyone know what’s really going to happen next to our financial sector as the OTC derivatives continue to meltdown? Will we be told everything in a timely manner? I wouldn’t expect it.
Protect youselves and take advantage of gold’s current weakness.
Last sale on gold is $813.50.
What we are witnessing is a well planned and executed attack on gold. The Chinese are loving it!
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3288Forum readers may also be interested in an interpretation of Wizard of Oz.
Google: Wizard of Oz allegory
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3287Gold $853.10 off $19.20
Silver $15,43 off $0.75
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.85
Gold/Silver Ratio 55.29As the paper factory proponents pull out all the stops to discredit our gold insurance policy its seems timely to interject some perspective while the miscreants from the paper factory continue to make the royal metal swoon for the third straight week.
The Four Tires of the Apocalypse
By Darryl Robert Schoon
Aug 5 2008 8:48AMThe engine used to run on premium, e.g. gold and silver; now it’s being run on credit which over time will destroy the engine and everything else.
The euro, the yuan, the yen, and the dollar are The Four Tires Of The Apocalypse, an event that recently appears to have come out of nowhere. It didn’t. Its apparently sudden appearance is new only to those who wished to see otherwise.
The destructive juggernaut now bearing down on the financial house of cards constructed by central bankers contained within it the seeds of its own destruction from its very beginning. Over time, those seeds would turn into Cerberus, the hound of hell, on whose mercy Bernanke et. al. now depends.
Epochs, like movies, need time to reveal protagonists and antagonists, as well as victims, villains and victors. We are now at the end of an epoch and as the final scene opens, the program notes are becoming disturbingly clear.
We find ourselves participants in the last and final act of capitalism and its credit based capital markets—or more correctly, credit and/or debt markets masquerading as free markets.
THE BIRTH OF CERBERUS THE GENESIS OF THE JUGGERNAUT
Capitalism did not appear until the Bank of England began issuing its debt-based paper money in 1694. The issuance of credit as money gave rise to capital markets where debt-based money replaced savings-based money
The Bank of England’s debt-based money drove out gold and silver coinage as Gresham’s Law clearly illustrates—bad money drives out good. No one would willingly pay gold or silver for what paper coupons would just as easily buy.
Capital markets are debt-markets made possible by the fiat issuance of central bank debt-based money. After central bankers’ faux money replaced gold and silver coins, commerce appeared to change forever; but that too is now about to change.
The rise of central banks parallels the substitution of paper debt-based money for gold and silver. When a disease spreads, so, too, do its symptoms. Replacing gold and silver with debt-based money was to eventually cripple commerce itself, albeit after a three hundred year run at the table.
Previous to central banking, commerce was founded on currencies composed of gold and silver. But with the advent of central banks, credit was substituted for gold and silver and after three centuries, credit-based economies are now on the verge of collapse, the juggernaut is in the shop and the long awaited apocalypse has arrived.
SOMEBODY BETTER CHECK THE TIRES
The euro, the yuan, the yen, and the dollar—the four major fiat currencies—are The Four Tires Of The Apocalypse; and although the economy’s engine, the credit markets, have seized up and are receiving most of the attention, somebody should take a look at the tires.
The mechanics, the central bankers, are instead focused only on the engine. Their solution again proves that good mechanics are hard to find. Like hacks at the corner garage, they’re pouring more credit into an already flooded engine, a sure sign they don’t know what they’re doing.
They’re not even looking at the tires. They should because the tires are fiat made of paper. The front tires are the Japanese yen and the Chinese yuan. The rear two are the euro and the US dollar; and it’s the two rear tires that now pose the greatest threat, the driver’s side rear, the US dollar, in particular—and the spare in the trunk, the British pound has a leak.
Of the four, the Chinese yuan is the newest, which in credit-driven economies is a plus, as usage in such economies equals more debt. Nonetheless, the Chinese yuan is not capable of carrying more than its present load although it is presently holding its own.
The other front tire, the Japanese yen, unlike the Chinese yuan, is well-worn and its tread is almost gone. Its debt load is enormous (the highest ratio of debt to GDP of all major economies) while its pressure, sic interest rate, is the lowest of all, incapable of handling more.
Currently at only 0.5 % because of an almost fatal blowout in 1989, the Japanese yen still hasn’t yet recovered—that the tire is still in service after its severe blowout is in itself something of a miracle.
But the two rear tires, the euro and the US dollar, are the source of our future trouble as they are particularly vulnerable to the continuing collapse of credit markets. The euro and dollar, like all fiat currencies, are dependent on the strength of their underlying economies, economies addicted to credit from increasingly insolvent banks, banks which are in far more trouble than presently believed.
Like someone who has HIV and has only confessed to having the clap, the money-center banks in Europe and the US are holding assets both on and off their balance sheets that are virtually worthless, with actual losses totaling $1.6 trillion, four times what the banks have yet admitted; and because the value of fiat currencies are a function of their economies, the collapse of the US dollar and euro may be ahead.
PUBLIC MONEY PRIVATE BANKS
It is now clear that central banks are using national treasuries to indemnify losses incurred by private banks. This should come as no surprise. Once private bankers and public government colluded to debase the currencies of their nations in order to enrich themselves, the joining of the two was inevitable and it is happening as we watch.
The last and final act of capitalism will be characterized by the looting of what little remains in our national treasuries as central bankers bail out the banks that caused our present problems. The only thing new is our surprise that it is happening.
The consequences, however, will not end there. The consequence of the public bailout of private banks will be the collapse of fiat currencies, currencies which have been the very basis of government and bankers’ power—power which will be swept away when fiat currencies collapse.
THE END GAME
Capitalism and credit markets—the bastard offspring of fiat money and central banking—are now in their final stage; and the default of fiat money will herald the end of the reign of central bankers in our affairs. No fiat system has ever survived. The present fiat system will be no exception to that rule
For those worried about private property, have no fear. Capitalism has nothing to do with the private ownership of property as maintained by private bankers and their corporate sponsors. The private ownership of property existed long before capitalism and will exist long after.
Capitalism has everything to do with central bankers’ issuance of debt-based money and the increasing power of government in our lives and the increasing profits of bankers at our expense.
Thomas Jefferson, the author of America’s Declaration of Independence understood well the threat posed by central banks:
The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution…Bankers are more dangerous than standing armies… [and] If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.
With the establishment of the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913, the American people allowed private bankers to destroy the economic freedom the founding fathers had fought to achieve.
That first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations as Jefferson warned are now in the process of depriving Americans and others of their homes and property by the issuance of credit and by default on those debts
The founding father fought a war in 1776; and 137 years later in 1913, Americans ceded back what they had won when they allowed private bankers to establish the Federal Reserve Bank in the US, a central bank which would do exactly as Jefferson said
Since the establishment of the Federal Reserve System, the US has been a slave to bankers and those in government who do their bidding, Today, Americans are bankrupt and indebted to those they allowed to issue their currency.
Today, America’s once free markets are rigged and government officials lie openly and with impunity whenever it serves their purpose to do so, their words no more trustworthy than the statistics they produce in order to pacify a nation regarding the dangers they have put it in.
Soon, however, that will change. For the collapse of the fiat US dollar will also bring about the collapse of those who benefit from its false issuance—private bankers, corporations and those who govern for their benefit in our name.
Although we do not possess the requisite power to successfully oppose those who oppress us, we can however wait for their inevitable demise, a demise that will unfortunately be as devastating to us as it will be to them.
The collapse of the US dollar will be horrific as will be its aftermath. But the price of liberty is always high. It was high in 1776. It will be high again.
THE UNLEASHING OF CERBERUS
These days at Apocalypse Auto, the lights are on at midnight as the mechanics wonder what to do. This is not the first time the once apparently unstoppable US economic juggernaut has been in the shop.
Just a few years ago, when the dot.com bubble burst, the US economy was obviously badly in need of emergency repair. To Al Greenspan, the head mechanic at Apocalypse Auto, it was a dangerous situation.
In 1989, the Japanese stock market bubble had collapsed sending Japan into a deflationary spiral in which it was still mired and if the US suffered likewise, the US, Japan and world economies would be in deep trouble.
So, Al and the others at Apocalypse Auto did what they did. The story is best told by Professor Antal E. Fekete in The Bubble That Broke The World, June 2003
… Aladdin Greenspan let the genie out of the bottle. The genie is now at large, entirely on its own, roaming around the world, visiting disaster upon the economies wherever it may go: a depression possibly worse than that in the 1930s. Aladdin hasn’t got a clue how to put it back in the bottle because if he tried, the genie would threaten to plunge the world into another bottomless pit, that of hyperinflation.
Greenspan [explained] the strategy the Fed has developed to combat deflation. He would climb the yield curve, that is, go out to buy government bonds of all maturities, if need be up to and including the30-year Treasury bonds, in an effort to push interest rates down thereby enlarging the monetary base that would, according to him, contain the weakness in prices.
It is a long shot from open market purchases of bonds to a buoyant price level. After all, once in circulation, the new money created by the Fed is no longer under its control. It is under the control of the speculators. They will not necessarily deploy it in the commodity or stock markets, as the Fed is hoping. They may see a better opportunity for profitable speculation elsewhere, say, in the real estate or the bond markets [bold, mine].
Just as Professor Fekete predicted, central bank credit, sic “new money”, went out of central bankers’ control and created an even larger bubble, the US real estate bubble whose collapse is now threatening economies everywhere.
Central bankers are again trying to contain the forces they themselves set in motion. But, irreparable harm has already been done because the genie that Greenspan let out of the bottle was no ordinary genie, it was Cerberus, the hound from hell.
Cerberus, Hades’ three-headed hound, is now on the loose. It is a sign of the times that many still hope central bankers can save them from what is about to happen. But hope is as blind as the information upon which it feeds—for although the bankers let Cerberus out, they are powerless to put him back in.
GOLD & SILVER THE BANE OF CENTRAL BANKERS THE FOUNDATION OF OUR PAST AND FUTURE FREEDOMS
Darryl Robert Schoon
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3285Slower growth of M3 still at record heights
The recent slow-down in M3-Growth from 20% p.a. to 16% p.a. is actually telling us that M3-Growth is still sky high.
Accordingly the monetary exchange equation is telling us, that inflation will be the inevitable result of this rapid expansion of the money-supply.
US-$ denominated gold-prices will continue to mirror the real inflation of the US-Dollar paper currency as long as M3-Growth is higher than the actual gowth of all goods and services sold during a given period of time.
This principle has been proven to work against all paper-currencies in the world. It will also work in case of the US-Dollar.
Until M3-Supply is finally reigned in at some time in the future the average price of gold expressed in US-Dollar paper-currency will climb higher and higher.
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3284Is the Balfour Holdings, Inc report useful today (see following entry for more about Balfour and Doug Silver)? Was it an accurate forecaster as we look back into the Gold Sector?
Affirmative, I say. Big gold companies as well as cash rich American corporations (individuals also) continue to shy away from good junior gold mining companies, such as ours (#3 in report). Billions of dollars were lost in the high tech and dot com feeding frenzy. The Gold Sector has some shame as well but nothing like the ridiculous market cap ratios for public companies that had no sales or income. Our plans for the future are getting more attention from entities capable of meeting the financial risk. Two reoccurring reasons I hear for this interest are: the mine is permitted and operation;
the company produces gold and has income. These are major and significant reasons why the Sixteen to One stands apart from almost all junior gold companies seeking fresh capital to broaden its development.This entry concludes excerpts from the 85 pages of the Balfour report that has been in my library since 1992. Hope you find it interesting.
Exploration or Extinction?
An Analysis of the Supply Crisis Facing the Gold-mining Industry
March 199211.5 Recommended Strategies for Success
A number of strategies can be implanted in today’s business climate to enhance the probability of corporate survival, while also minimizing both the cost and risk. The following list offers proven strategies and perceived approaches.
1.) Increased exploration efforts. Since most mining companies have severely restricted their exploration budgets and activities, now is the time to be counter-cyclical and invest in exploration activities. The competition is less and potential still exists. Insightful companies should consider rethinking exploration target concepts and attempt to develop new targets by testing variations on conventional model themes.
2.) Almost all of the currently known gold deposits in the U.S. reside in historic mining districts. Consolidating large land positions within historic mining districts could enhance the probability of discovery while also facilitating the use of centralized processing facilities. Successful examples of this approach have been seen at Nerco’s Cripple Creek, Colorado operations and within the Carlin trend in Nevada.
There is an old saying that “if you want to hunt for elephants, go to elephant country.” Never has this been more true than for U.S. gold exploration. Companies seeking virgin targets in unprospected areas face almost insurmountable odds against success. Given today’s lean budgets, this approach may not be appropriate.
3.) Investing in Junior exploration companies with superior projects. This approach has long been shunned by American companies, to the competitive delight of their Canadian counterparts. American companies tend to take the position that investing in Junior companies will not only create additional tax liabilities, but also make them appear as holding companies, a title which could result in lower P/E ratios or suppressed share prices. Additionally, American companies seem pre-occupied with being in absolute control of their investments at all times. The concept of being a minority partner or conducting a creeping takeover is seldom considered a viable path for growth.
Canadians have demonstrated that investing in smaller companies has no impact on their trading prices or P/E ratios and allows them to participate in many exploration plays at a fraction of their normal costs. The premise assumes that the Major company takes an initial minority position in the Junior, but requires the Junior to raise public funds to cover the cost of high-risk exploration. As success is achieved, the Junior’s shares increase in value, thereby offering the Major the opportunity to sell and realize profits. Alternatively, if the Junior’s project is scientifically advancing towards the developmental stage, they will eventually require additional infusions of funds. This permits the Major to increase its ownership in the Junior through future private placements. When the project advances to the point of requiring capital project financing, the Major, now a significant, if not controlling, shareholder either absorbs the Junior or swaps its position for direct equity in the project. Companies such as Teck Corporation, Corona Corporation, Placer Dome, and Noranda have partially built their empires from the successful application of this technique.
4.) Grubstake proven ore finders. Successful ore finders often decide that there is more profit in finding ores for themselves rather than for an employer. Consequently, it is not uncommon for these people to be independent. Companies seeking success should identify and grubstake these people as an alternative to expanding their acquisition and/or exploration teams. Offering an ore finder a small overriding royalty makes commercial sense as it provides important incentives while not dramatically effecting the economic of the project. Grubstaking ore finders also escapes the need to spend precious corporate funds on training, health benefits, pension plans, and severance packages, etc.
Companies should also consider grubstaking individuals with proven track records in acquisitions. These individuals tend to be extremely well-versed in the intricacies of the mining industry, have widespread networks, and the ability to find or generate opportunities before the asset is put on the auction block.
5.) Searching internationally. The exodus of traditional American companies to Latin America has been the most predominant trend in the past twelve months. Companies are sending teams across the southern hemisphere in search of opportunities. Partially drawn by the emergence of pro-mining business in the U.S., these companies hope to replace their resources by tapping into the enormous potential of underdeveloped countries. Unfortunately, Latin America is not a panacea, and its problems and pitfalls are often overlooks, underestimated, or viewed as subordinate to those already known in the Unites States.
It appears that some companies are heading south of the border because of the mentality that the “grass is greener on the other side of the fence”, rather than because the United States is exhausted of quality opportunities. There companies should beware the costs of investigating foreign investments, including multiple trips by various corporate teams, relocation of corporate personnel, legal, political, environmental reviews, and cultural and lingual differences as well as accounting for opportunities lost at home, can prove to be quite expensive.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3283Gold $871.70 off $7.30
Silver $16.23 off $0.31
Gold/Xau Ratio 5.76
Gold/Silver Ratio 53.71The shakedown in gold continues. Alf Field has revised his Elliott Wave Analysis by stating that a retest of gold’s lows at $845 could develop during this current fishing line drop. Alf Field’s batting average, calling major moves in gold correctly over past years has been well in excess of .900. So, I think we should listen to him.
The following is how Alf summed up his recent analysis:
The gold market is in the process of completing Large wave II of Major wave THREE. Once Large II is finished, Large III of Major wave THREE will commence. As detailed in Update 20, this should be a strong upward impulsive wave that could reach to above $1,500 before it is completed.
These forecasts are based on the rhythms detected in the gold market during its early stages. The magnitude of the various corrective waves helps to identify the type of wave sequence underway and assists in pinpointing errors when they occur.
Alf Field
Let’s see, the expected trading range on gold from a $845 low to the exceess of $1,500 during the upcoming new phase doesn’t give a person too much room for being right if they are a fearful seller, does it?
The three P’s – Perspective, Perspective and Perspective will always rule.
6 August 2008.
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3286Does anyone know anything about “Chain O’Mines, Inc.”? I hold in my possesion many stock certificates for them and “Midwest Operators, Inc.”. These certificates were issued in the early 1900’s and are probably useless, but if someone could point me in the right direction, it will be much appreciated. Thank you
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3282I am a junkie for mining data and history, which is why this topic is on the FORUM. The successful pursuit of mining gold, investors and hobbyists is greatest for those with an historical perspective. There will always be charlatans, soothsayers, self proclaimed brilliant analysts, quacks and outright frauds in any sector of our society, including the Gold Sector. There are brilliant professionals and some scholars, advisors or writers who are just ignorant of aspects of their trade. That is okay. That is one reason to study. Most everyone but the severely arrogant has been in an ignorant situation before.
The following excerpt comes from a very high-end report published in March 1992 and prepared by Balfour Holding, Inc. Its author, Douglas B Silver, still operated his company from Colorado (www.dugag.com). We met as a result of his research, which circulated among the highflying gold people and remains a valuable tool for us.
Exploration or Extinction?
An Analysis of the Supply Crisis Facing the Gold-mining Industry
March 19921.0 Executive Summery and Conclusions
The past decade of gold exploration and mining activity in the United States has witnessed one of the steepest growth rates in history. National gold production levels have increased by ten-fold, with more than 130 new gold mines having been commissioned. Companies have also grown with this additional capacity, with several now producing in excess of one million ounces of gold per year. This growth was made possible due to a combination of factors during the 1980s, including:
1.) The favorable investment markets for shares of public companies and the high price to earnings ratios enjoyed by the gold mining industry.
2.) The abundant project and corporate financing available through equity offerings, conventional debt, and well as by gold loans.
3.) The successful discovery of epithermal gold deposits in the Great Basin region.
4.) The liberation of gold prices from a fixed standard.
Collectively, these four aspects created a strong demand for gold shares and allowed companies to build with unrestrained growth.
Today, the world’s financial structure has changed dramatically from the “golden days” of the 1980s. Precipitated by the Stock Market Crash of 1987, companies are becoming hard pressed to service their high annual production levels because:
1.) The equity market for gold shares has evaporated. Lackluster gold prices continue to hurt corporate earnings, many companies do not deliver on their promises, and the industry’s anti-dividend attitudes inspires investors to support or maintain their interests relative to other investments.
2.) Efforts to reduce costs have several impacted exploration spending. Consequently, fewer discoveries are being made, even though there is no evidence that there is lack of opportunities or that the U.S. is “picked over”.
3.) Business development teams are finding fewer opportunities worth pursuing because the low gold price adversely affects project economics, even before consideration for acquisition costs. The difficulty of financing acquisitions in today’s markets is highlighted by the fact that the number of transactions completed in 1991 involving U.S. gold resources is half the number seen in 1988 (and occurs in levels comparable to 1985). The paucity of new discoveries is causing the acquisition pipeline to dry up, as acquisition opportunities are recycled without significant changes in their technical advancement status.
4.) The largest mines are depleting their finite resources faster than they can replace them.
5.) The attitude by corporate management that they must continue to increase their annual gold production levels in order to attract investor interest and remain on mining analysts’ coveted research lists. This is forcing corporate decisions to mine large ore bodies at a rate that exceeds the size of deposits offered by Nature for replacement.
Collectively, these attitudes indicate that the largest, pure-gold producing companies must take steps to attract investor attention, but on a basis other than sustained growth in production. Possible survival strategies include diversification to other commodities, overseas expansion, transforming companies into holding companies and redirecting analyst’s attentions from production levels to other, more appropriate investment criteria.
The future and fate of the U.S. gold mining industry rests solely on the shoulder of the companies involved in the exploration, development, and production of gold. No government subsidies are currently being considered and public support for the environmental movement may prove too powerful and ultimately eliminate mining in the Unites States. However, this race is neither rigged nor over, and many constructive options are available to innovative or foresighted strategists. Hopefully, this study will provide quantitative information upon which successful strategies can be built while also dispelling common misconceptions.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3280Gold $879.40 off $14.40
Silver $16.62 off $0.27
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.92
Gold/Silver Ratio 52.91Today is it! The beginning of much higher prices in gold and the gold shares.
We are in an price rich environment for some very smart people to buy from the fleeing public.
Just a little perspective shows how awfully wrong the scared and faint hearted public can become when their nerves get frazzled as a result of sinking prices within major bull markets.
For example, the Gold/XAU ratio currently is 5.92. This, alone, exhibits based on historical over bought/over sold levels that shares are on the bargain table. The old rule of thumb is buy above 5.0 and sell below 3.0.
A little more perspective is found on the long term XAU chart(the Philadelphia Gold & Silver Index) with a last price on the Index of 149.18.
Subjectively looking back in years it is quite obvious that prices were held back during the time span of 20 years from 1987 to 2007 at 150 before they broke into new higher territory. This old resistance area is now support and will generally hold prices from going lower and will be used as a blasting off point for some exciting new all-time highs in the months to follow.
Concerning gold, this is what the maestro says:
Dear Friends,
Nothing has changed and nothing will. Gold will reach $1,200 and then $1,650. If I am wrong it is because gold will go even higher – and sooner than expected.
Sincerely,
Jim Sinclair
Don’t be a sap by getting suckered into selling your gold and gold shares. This is the time to buy, not sell.
Gold selling lower at $876.
The reason gold is down is that the cartel is playing one of their last few cards in an act of pitiful desperation to keep your mind away from cashing in your maturing CD’s for the purchase of gold and silver.
Haven’t we been raped enough by these puppeteers?
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3281Thanks, Mr. Pres. By the way,
does anyone know the geological
composition of the Bellvue
Tunnel in the Laporte mining
district? In my younger days
I went to boy scout camp near
there.in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3279Hi Martin. I took geology twice at UCSB and still find much of the Sierra Nevada and particularly the Sixteen to One vein system a mystery. So here is the third (see below) excerpt from the Jack Havard report of 1980. Have fun with the host of gold, quartz.
Quartz Veins
The quartz veins of the Sixteen to One Mine are typical of the Alleghany district and have been the most productive of gold in the district. The Sixteen to One vein is the dominant feature at the mine, but it is joined by several other veins originally considered independent: the Twenty-One, the Ophir, the Tightner, and others.
The Sixteen to One vein occupies an east-dipping reverse fault, with several hundred feet of displacement, which is part of the en echelon east-dipping reverse fault system of the district. The veins, here as elsewhere, are dominated by structure and ignore the county rock except for its mechanical properties. The country rocks are mostly the schists of the upper Tightner, the Kanaka conglomerate and some significant serpentine bodies. Most of the rock is hard and brittle, the exception being serpentine, which behave in a plastic manner.
The vein strikes about N 21 W and has been mined over 4000 feet on its strike. It dips at an average of 38 to the east and has been mined to 3000 feet on the slope.
The relationship of the vein system to events of the Sierra Nevada orogeny are not pertinent to the report, but the sequence of mineralization is interesting in the consideration of gold occurrence. H. R. Cooke, Jr. made a thorough study of the Sixteen to One vein (H. R. Cooke, Jr. The Original Sixteen to One Gold Quartz Vein, Alleghany, California, Economic Geology, Vol 42, No. 3, 1947).
Concerning the ore minerals, he writes:
Occurrence – Ore minerals form less then 2% of the volume of the vein, and are about equally common in massive quartz and in fractures, inclusions, or ribbons. They generally are clustered around large grains of pyrite, sphalerite, or tetrahedrite, but arsenopyrite, gold, and galena often occur alone or in combination. The only ore minerals in appreciable amounts in wall rock are fine-grained pyrite, arsenopyrite, and pyrrhotite. All ore minerals are hypogene except for traces of covellite and possibly a little chalcopyrite or bornite. The only evidence of zoning is unusually abundant pyrite in the schist of several lower levels, accompanied by a slight tendency for gold to be more evenly disseminated through the vein.
Five factors seem outstanding in localizing ore minerals:
1.) Fractures: the main channel-ways for the flow of ore solutions.
2.) Carbonate: the mineral probably most replaced by ore minerals.
3.) Quartz: controlling deposition of ore minerals by its resistance to replacement.
4.) Early ore minerals: tending to be replaced by later ore minerals.
5.) Graphitic gouge: tending to restrain ore solutions from invading wall rock.
Gold – Gold was the last ore mineral to be deposited and displays marked inability to replace quartz and earlier ore minerals. Gold generally occurs alone in quartz on grain boundaries or in fractures, and in very rich specimens of flood quartz, where it probably replaced carbonate inclusions; occurs with galena, often partly surrounds and fills fractures in arsenopyrite.
The average grade of the whole vein is too low for profitable mining, which means that more high-grade must be found than in random mining of the vein, The Sixteen to One high-grade is richer than any other for with I have seen comparable data. Scattered in a vein otherwise assaying about 0.04 oz., several hundred shoots have been mined, producing up to 78,000 oz. Each and running from 2,000—6,000 + oz., or on the order of 100,000 times richer than adjoining vein areas.
Dr. Cooke points out that 608,012 plus tons had been mined from the vein through 1942, yielding 749,179 plus ounces of gold. The hand-sorted high-grade, weighing only about 164 tons and constituting only 0.027% of the tonnage mined, produced 548,759 plus ounces of gold or almost three-fourths (73.25%) of the gold yielded.
In summery, when pockets are found the mine is rich; when pockets are not found the mine is destitute. This is the history of the Sixteen to One, and many of its smaller neighbors.
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3278It would have been easier for
me to understand things had I
taken geology in my college
days but I didn’t.in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3277History of the District
The history of the Alleghany mining district begins with the discovery of coarse nuggets in the bed of a creek by a group of Hawaiian sailors in the spring of 1851. Appropriately the creek was called Kanaka Creek. Its deep canyon has been the scene of intensive gold mining continuing to the present time. In the general area, gold was found in the streams probably as early as 1849.
The river bars were first mined, followed by exploitation of the Tertiary river gravels. Drift mining of the buried channels, first at Alleghany and then on a larger scale at nearby Forest, reached an initial production peak in about 1861 but continued with another peak in the 1930s at the Ruby Mine.
Mining of lode gold began in 1853 with a stamp mill placed in operation in 1858 at the Rainbow Mine in Kanaka canyon. Some veins, including the Rainbow, were discovered by miners exploiting the auriferous channels on bedrock. Lode mining was spotty from mine to mine because of the nature of the ore shoots. Peak production from the lode mines in the Alleghany district is report in the year 1922 as 50,231 tons valued at $1,710,521. With the gold price fixed at $20.67 and ounce, this meant a value of $34.05 per ton or 1.65 ounces per ton. Later discussions in this report will explain this high value.
In 1942, the gold mines were either shut down or extremely limited in production because of the War Production Board Order L-208. After the war, gold mining resumed on a reduced scale, gradually fading due to the fixed price of gold and increasing inflation of costs. The last major mine to shut down was the Sixteen to One, which ceased regular operation in December 1965 not only because of high costs but also because of lack of ore. Only recently has gold mining been revived substantially because of the high price of gold, but much of the activity in the district has been speculative and all of it has been on a small scale.
The following quotations are from Gold Mines of California, by Jack R. Wagner, Chapter 14, The Original Sixteen to One Mine:
The Twenty-One was the first to be developed and was in operation prior to 1868, but never made any notable production. About 1914 it was reopened by Hunt, the cannery man, who found high-grade ore in a new vein. What looks like good prospects were soon dashed to bits when a crew from the Sixteen to One suddenly broke into Twenty-One workings, clearly showing, to the embarrassment of all, that both mines had been working on the same vein. The Sixteen to One brought suit for trespassers against the Twenty-One in a Federal Court in San Francisco, which in 1919 resulted in a judgment for $93,000 against the Twenty-One. The owners found it simpler to dispose of the property and the mine was purchased by the Sixteen to One for $60,000. The Twenty-One tunnel now forms part of the 800 Level of the Sixteen to One.
…A three-way partnership was formed in 1891, motivated by an old-timer by the name of Jim McCormick. McCormick had remembered that bedrock vein that had been uncovered and ignored in the Knickerbocker (channel) tunnel nearly forty years before. The partners soon located the Contract and Contract Extension lodes that ran north and south of McCormick’s remembered vein. After driving further north a small winze was sunk but the vein tightened, causing the mine to be dubbed the “Tighter’ner” by the townspeople.
In 1903 Henderson L. Johnson took a lease and bond on the Tightner Mine. Johnson decided to drift south; his first blast dislodged $20 worth of gold and it was soon apparent there was more where that came from. This discovery was firmly established quartz mining at Alleghany…
Later, a property known as the Eclipse Mine, situated north of Kanaka Creek, was purchased and the present Tightner Tunnel was run. This tunnel cut the vein at about 400 feet vertical depth below the old Knickerbocker Tunnel and later was cut through the connect with the Sixteen to One Mine at the 250-foot level.
In 1908, Johnson added a number of other properties including the Rainbow, Red Star, and Eldorado— Johnson sold out in 1911.
The New Tightner Mines Company continued to be a profitable operation under the direction of J. M. O’Brien and A. D. Foote. Foote and O’Brien operated the Tightner Mine and its twenty-stamp mill until 1918, producing a total of $3,000,000 from which $500,000 was paid out in dividends.
In 1919 the Tightner Mine was reopened by the Alleghany Mining Company, an organization put together by Fred Searls, Jr., who later became president of the worldwide Newmont Mining Corporation. Under their direction the Tightner produced some $600,000 in gold during the next four years. Unfortunately for the Tightner people, it soon became apparent that the Tightner and the Sixteen to One veins were one and the same. Costly litigation was avoided when an agreement was reached—the entire mine was sold in 1924 to the Sixteen to One.
For a mine that was destined to produce millions, the Sixteen to One Mine has a rather inauspicious beginning. The property was originally owned by the Rainbow Mine, but was never deemed worthy of development. The portion later to be known as the Sixteen to One was located by Thomas Bradbury from an outcropping in his own backyard. That was in 1896, the same year William Jennings Bryan, as a delegate to the National Convention, wrote the Silver Plank in the platform which advocated that coins be minted with 16 parts of silver and one part gold…
In 1911 the Bradbury brothers and Yeates Lawson made an agreement with J. G. Jury and W. I. Smart to lease the property with an option to buy. Jury and Smart, with the addition of H. K. Montgomery, organized that same years as the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc. It was this company that operated the mine for 54 years, right down to its final days.
During its heyday, it was not uncommon for a pound of ore to yield $50 in gold and single shoots would produce anywhere from $200,000 to a million! Dividends totaling $1,238,501 had been paid to 1924. In 1934 alone, bullion receipts were $578,000 with dividends of $287,000.
During the postwar years the Rainbow and Sixteen to One Mines were purchased. Also acquired was the Tightner Mines Company, which still controlled the Red Star property. (Thus the Sixteen to One gained control over the old Bald Mountain channel mines. – JFH)
The Sixteen to One now owned the most promising group of mining properties in the Alleghany district, but unfortunately continually rising costs and the gradual exhaustion of the developed portions of the mine resulted in depletion of working capital.
During the last year or so of operations, the mine payroll had been reduced to 12 to 15 men and the work had been more or less exploratory rather than producing. The management sought that one long chance of finding ore of a high enough grade to warrant continued operation in the face of terrifying costs.
The end finally came at the December 9, 1965 meeting in San Francisco of the mine’s board of directors. With President Walter Stinson presiding, the directors reluctantly voted to close the mine.
End of Quote
When the Sixteen to One acquired the Tightner Company, with its Red Star property, the Sixteen to One gained control of the Bald Mountain lands and the old channel mines. The same stockholders, or their descendants, some 300 of them, still own the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc., a California corporation, but the officers have been wracked with dissension and troubles persisting into June, 1980. Additional problems surrounded the lease to the Sixteen to One Mining Corporation, a Nevada corporation, now in bankruptcy court.
The manner in which the Sixteen grew is the preferred way taught in all good mining schools. Mining districts go through periods identified as: Youthful Mature, Old Age, much the same way geological periods are defined. I believe the Alleghany Mining District is in the Mature Period at this time.
The above recap was included in the Jack Havard report to Rayrock mines in June 1980. (See following entry). Jack’s words, “the officers have been wracked with dissension and troubles persisting into June, 1980” tells of my activities, which began in 1974. I was the dissension “wracker” and continued until the 1983 shareholder meeting, when the old management was finally booted off the board. The lessee called themselves the Sixteen to One Mining Corporation. It continued fiddling in the federal bankruptcy court in Reno Nevada until 1983, when Lucky Chance Mining expressed an interest in the mine. Lucky Chance “ponied” up $2 million and I negotiated a new lease with its management. It also failed but hung on in a series of joint ventures with Royal Gold as the ultimate major player. We bought the lease back with all the equipment in June, 1991. Two more Alleghany mining properties were acquired since then: Plumbago Mine and Gold Crown.
in reply to: From the Sixteen to One Archives #3275Being a gold owner and operator continuously for over 100 years, the Company has a tremendous amount of data. Below, are excerpts from a report prepared for Rayrock Mines, Inc by J.F. Havard, Engineer of Mines, written in 1980. These records are just as valuable today as when they were written. It is not practical or prudent to send our historical information to people who express an interest in joining our plans for development and production; however, I have always extended an invitation to qualified inquiries about financial participation. This is not a gold deposit or program that should be dismissed as too speculative or not worth the investment. The following are taken verbatim from Mr. Havard’s report.
Possibilities for Additional Ore
The principle reason for studying the properties of the Original Sixteen to One Mine, Inc. is to assess the possibilities for the presence of additional ore – commercially minable ore reserves.
Two entirely different types of ore must be considered:
Lodes – Mostly exploited near Kanaka Creek in the Sixteen to One Mine, mostly included in the present lease, but perhaps extending northward in to unleased area.
Channels – Mostly exploited in the Bald Mountain area, mostly explorable in that area and mostly free of the present lease.
11.1 Lodes
The Sixteen to One Mine was closed in December 1965 after desperate efforts to locate new ore bodies without a comprehensive well-financed exploration plan. The mine even participated in a government-financed program in 1965 as an aid to finding more ore. Today, the Sixteen to One can show no proven, probable or possible ore.
Nevertheless, it is worthwhile to examine theories offered by geologists and mining engineers on how best to search for additional reserves:
USGS Professional Paper 172, Page 60 (1932)
The Alleghany district stands alone among the districts of the Californian gold belt in its peculiar type of ore shoots, so that no analogy based on the persistence of ore to great depths in districts such as Grass Valley and the Mother Lode region is pertinent. The gold has been deposited from hypogene solutions and is in no way dependant upon either the present surface or the surface that existed prior to the outflow of lava, and there is no reason to anticipate impoverishment in depth on this account. It is possible, however, that there may be a change in the character of the ore with greater depth. The wider distribution of gold in the lower levels of the Sixteen to One Mine, as shown by the data given on page 52, is perhaps an indication that with greater depth the gold will tend to occur in larger shoots of lower grade…
In conclusion, the authors are of the opinion that there is no reason indicated by the present study why the mines should not prove equally productive to a much greater depth than had been reached at the time the field study was made. This opinion is, of course, not meant to be taken as an encouragement to deep exploration of a vein in which shallow development has revealed nothing of promise.
Report on the Rainbow Mine, by M. R. Lancaster, 1909
(The Rainbow is part of the Sixteen to One property south of Kanaka Creek.)I should say therefore that the only manner in which to prospect for pay ore would be to select points where the ledge shows a good body of quartz and open these blocks by drives and raises.
Willard P. Fuller, Jr., San Andreas California, August 29, 1965
(In a letter to the president of the Sixteen to One from a mining geologist who spent 2 ½
years at the mine (1951-1953))…It is my opinion that the Alleghany district in general and the properties of the Sixteen to One Mine in particular probably represent the most favorable ground in California for the exploration for new gold ore bodies that can be mined profitably in today’s economy.
Utilizing the surface plant and existing mine openings, Mr. Fuller proposes development as follows:
1.) Northerly, down the rake of the north ore bodies below the 1500 Level, in the Red Star claim.
2.) Southerly, down the rake of the ore bodies in the southern part of the mine, below the 2400 Level and south of the “49 winze”
Then he goes on to say:
A much more comprehensive exploration campaign should. When finances permit, be undertaken to prospect the northerly continuation of this entire vein zone. With more than 1 ½ miles of a major vein system barely touched by mining up until now because of the deep Tertiary cover, and with geological conditions very similar to the mile already developed by the consolidated Sixteen to One workings, this exists as one of the most promising areas for development of gold-bearing quartz veins in the district. It would probably be more feasible to develop this portion of the Sixteen to One holdings from the town of Forest rather than from the Alleghany side of the ridge.
C. W. McClung, Mountain Copper Company, 1960
“Recommendation and Conclusions”Basically, our proposal for reviving the Sixteen to One Mine is to have the present mine to provide funds for the major share of the cost of exploring and developing a new mine. This would be accomplished by doing first limited renovation of underground working, surface plant and mill, and then systematically stripping the mine of possible ore shoots (second guesses), shaft and stope pillars, and drift stills and crown pillars. It is assumed that this program, which cannot be evaluated by conventional means, would provide the money from short-range operating profits needed for extensive exploration and development which must be done if the Sixteen to One is again to become a long-lived, profitable mine.
Eldon Dennis, Geologist, two reports on the Rainbow Mine, 1935
After diamond drilling, dip needle surveying, and geological mapping, Mr. Dennis makes recommendation for some detailed small-scale exploration in the Rainbow and then writes, “I am inclined to look with more favor on the possibilities of production from the unexplored area beneath the lava cap.” He refers to the ridge south of Kanaka Creek.
H. R. Cooke, Jr., The Original Sixteen to One Mine Quartz Veins, Alleghany, California, Economic Geology, Vol. 42, No. 3, 1947.
Extracts from the abstract:Extremely rich gold shoots are scattered in the Sixteen to One vein in otherwise barren quartz. The main result of this study is the recognition of some structural features that might guide exploration of the ore shoots.
The most common significant findings are:
1.) High-grade commonly follows late shears on or near wall veins, especially the foot-wall, or crosses the vein diagonally up-dip on intravein shears and ribbons.2.) The high-grade distribution accords with that of openings expectable from the reverse movement indicated: high-grade is most abundant where the vein is flatter than adjacent areas along both strike and dip, and virtually lacking in corresponding steep areas; serpentinite and cross-faults partly localized by serpentinite steepened in the vein sheer zone. Much high-grade occurs in complementary flats and near cross-fault intersections.
This paper, condensed from a Harvard Ph.D. dissertation, is outstanding for its detailed observations, but is not helpful in regard to major deposits.
R. W. Wittkopp, A Hypothesis for the Localization of Gold in Quartz Veins, Alleghany District, California
(Presented at a conference on California minerals sponsored by the Sierra Nevada Section of the Society of Mining Engineers, A.I.M.E, March, 1980.)…The present hypothesis proposes that ore bearing mineralizing solutions did not move up the quartz veins, but moved up along the serpentinite contact forming the mariposite bearing rock. When the ore bearing solutions came in contact with the quartz veins, mineralization took place near the contact…
The location of the high-grade pocket within the quartz veins in usually related to much structural features as change in thickness of the vein, split in the vein, intersection of the vein with other veins, or fractures or change in dip or strike of the vein.
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3276The following is an article that was published in the Financial Times and submitted to jsmineset.com by Monty Guild with a brief comment:
Here is an important article from FT.com that we felt our readers would like.
FANNIE’S AND FREDDIE’S FREE LUNCH
By Joseph Stiglitz
Published: July 24 2008 18:25Much has been made in recent years of private/public partnerships. The US government is about to embark on another example of such a partnership, in which the private sector takes the profits and the public sector bears the risk. The proposed bail-out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac entails the socialisation of risk – with all the long-term adverse implications for moral hazard – from an administration supposedly committed to free-market principles.
Defenders of the bail-out argue that these institutions are too big to be allowed to fail. If that is the case, the government had a responsibility to regulate them so that they would not fail. No insurance company would provide fire insurance without demanding adequate sprinklers; none would leave it to “self-regulation”. But that is what we have done with the financial system.
Even if they are too big to fail, they are not too big to be reorganised. In effect, the administration is indeed proposing a form of financial reorganisation, but one that does not meet the basic tenets of what should constitute such a publicly sponsored scheme.
First, it should be fully transparent, with taxpayers knowing the risks they have assumed and how much has been given to the shareholders and bondholders being bailed out.
Second, there should be full accountability. Those who are responsible for the mistakes – management, shareholders and bondholders – should all bear the consequences. Taxpayers should not be asked to pony up a penny while shareholders are being protected.
Finally, taxpayers should be com¬pensated for the risks they face. The greater the risks, the greater the compensation.
All of these principles were violated in the Bear Stearns bail-out. Shareholders walked away with more than $1bn (€635m, £500m), while taxpayers still do not know the size of the risks they bear. From what can be seen, taxpayers are not receiving a cent for all this risk-bearing. Hidden in the Federal Reserve-collateralised loans to ¬JPMorgan that enabled it to take over Bear Stearns were almost surely interest rate and credit options worth billions of dollars. It would have been easy to design a restructuring that was more transparent and protected taxpayers’ interests better, giving some compensation for their risk-bearing.
But the proposed bail-out of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac makes that of Bear Stearns look like a model of good governance. It sets an example for other countries of what not to do. The same administration that failed to regulate, then seemed enthusiastic about the Bear Stearns bail-out, is now asking the American people to write a blank cheque. They say: “Trust us.” Yes, we can trust the administration – to give the taxpayers another raw deal.
Something has to be done; on that everyone is agreed. We should begin with the core of the problem, the fact that millions of Americans were made loans beyond their ability to pay. We need to help them stay in their homes, including by converting the home mortgage deduction into a cashable tax credit and creating a homeowners’ Chapter 11, an expedited way to restructure their liabilities. This will bring clarity to the capital markets – reducing uncertainty about the size of the hole in Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s balance sheets.
The government should set a limit to the size of the bail-out, at the same time making it clear that, while it will not allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to fail, neither will it be extending a blank cheque. There may need to be a drastic reorganisation. There should be a charge for the “credit line” (any private firm would do as much) and, given the risk, it should be at a higher than normal rate.
The private sector knows how to protect its interests; the government should do no less. As long as the credit line is extended, no dividends should be paid. To ensure that the government is not simply bailing out creditors who failed in due diligence, at least, say, 25 per cent of any notes, loans or bonds coming due that are not lent again should be set aside in an escrow account, to be paid only after it is established that taxpayers are not at risk. Any government loans should be cumulative preferred debt: the taxpayers get paid before any other creditors receive a dime. To discourage moral hazard the interest rate should be at a penalty rate and, reflecting the rising risk, increase with the amount borrowed. Finally, the government should participate in the upside potential as well as the downside risk: for instance, by taking shares (which it might later sell) or, as it did in the Chrysler bail-out, warrants.
We should not be worried about shareholders losing their investments. In earlier years, they were amply rewarded. The management remuneration packages that they approved were designed to encourage excessive risk-taking. They got what they asked for. Nor should we be worried about creditors losing their money. Their lack of supervision fuelled the housing bubble and we are now all paying the price. We should worry about whether there is a supply of liquidity to the housing market, so that those who wish to buy a home can get a loan. This proposal provides the necessary liquidity.
A basic law of economics holds that there is no such thing as a free lunch. Those in the financial market have had a sumptuous feast and the administration is now asking the taxpayer to pick up a part of the tab. We should simply say No.
The writer, 2001 recipient of the Nobel Prize for economics, is university professor at Columbia University. He is co-author with Linda Bilmes of The Three Trillion ¬Dollar War: the True Cost of the Iraq Conflict
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The article says it all.
bluejayin reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3272” A Tale Of Two Cities”
The anti-gold miscreants are jumping up and down with gold’s eighth day of weakness, currenting selling at $899.50 and the Chinese are jumping up and down with a higher dollar and a lower gold prices as they sell and buy in vast quantities.
If history is any guide, the fools selling gold are the ones that will be sorry.
Concerning gold and silver stocks, the Gold XAU Ratio is currently at 5.47 which over the past four years has been about the best time to buy these stocks. This has been an excellent baromemeter of timing for buying and selling over the years.
The general rule is: buy the stocks when the ratio is in excess of the 5.0 level and for intermediate trading sell the stocks when the Index is under 3.0.
Gold is in a generational bull market and until it changes, all sizable declines should be bought.
If you don’t have your gold yet, this could be your day.
“Time and tide waits for no man.”
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3274Money Supply M3 declining in US$ and Euro-Areas
After the M3-Reports for the US$-Area were discontinued in 2006 by the Bush-Administration other “Watchdogs” have stepped in to monitor M3-growth. For details go to http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data
M3-Money supply has decreased sharply in the US$-Area in 2008 due to more restrictive lending practises by the banking sector. It is now growing annually at about 16% per year.
M3-Money supply has decreased slightly in the Euro-Area as well. Figures are published monthly by the European Bank Statistics Department. Euro money supply is growing annually at a rate of about 10%.
The declining M3-Supply should result in lower prices for many goods, just like lower prices for real estate.
The fundamental problem, eroding public trust in the value of the US$ is the excessive growth of public debt and/or public guarantees. 30 billion US$ for the rescue of Bear Stearns, 3000 billion for the factual garantee of all obligations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with more aggressive lending by both comanies on the horizon.
This sort of garanteeing for everybody and every amount is raising eye-brows around the globe.
Therefore, gold will probably fetch high US-Dollar prices for a relativly long period of time. From a Euro- or Yen-Point of view the price-increase in gold looks quite moderate due to the sharp decline in the foreign value of the US-Dollar.
in reply to: Clips from Alleghany #3273Greetings – Just another post wondering why the 16/1 isn’t interested in selling “the collection” in smaller lots? My answer may have been posted on some other thread, but it seems more likely to off-load these specimens for operation capital in multiple sales. In other words, it would be easier to find 10-12 collectors/investors with $300k than trying to move the load in one fell swoop. Even when examined from a working revenue perspective, the mine wouldn’t need all $3.5 mill in one chunk would they? Would not a more reasonable flow of $600k every quarter into 2009 work better? By then, new rich pockets could well be discovered and you wouldn’t even ned to sell the “best of the best”. Anyhow, my bad if this has already been attempted. I wish the best for the future of this unique California gold mine. If you need any marketing/advertising help, just let me know. 🙂
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3270Gold $917.50 off $12.70
Silver $17.08 off $0.31
Gold/XAU Ratio 5.35
Gold/Silver Ratio 53.40
Crude Oil $120.55 off $4.18I thought I would mention that there is a circulating story going around that crude oil will be taken down to the $50 level where gasoline prices will drop to $2.50 a gallon. The basis for the idea is to financially decimate Iran. There are comments along with the story that state there are secretly held very large unreported oil discoveries in and around Prudhoe Bay, Alaska along with coming news of gigantic unreported oil reserves in north Russia and in Indonesia.
The truth concerning these extremely large unreported oil pools remains to be reported. The inference was made that news of these finds will correlate near to presidential elections and the following months.
Also there was mention of massive oil deposits that could be brought to market from the states of Montana, Idaho and Utah that were staggering. The bottom line is according to the source that there is no oil shortage and that it has all been a total fabrication by the powers to be.
The circulating idea may be taking its toll on crude oil prices as of late but still, all this remains to be substantiated.
The financial sector continues to melt down and concern people and this story, whether real or planted, appears to be holding up the stock market, somewhat.
Last Friday the National Australian Bank wrote down by 90% all its OTC derivatives associated with the real estate market loans in this country and stated, “they have no more exposure to it.” The news of this move was basically a vote of no confidence in our continuing troubles at the Fed where they a running here and there putting out insolvency fires. Congress just voted for a rescue plan for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that will insure that more printing presses will have to be ordered or some extra zeros will have to be printed on a new bills after calling in the old ones. Take your pick.
This is the second week that the powers to be have been dumping paper gold in the commodities markets. Now physical gold, that’s another matter.
This story reminds me of the ones that surfaced saying that there was a process to increase gold supplies by processing all the available sands of the world. Then there was another media story about how bad gold was an an investment because it never kept up with inflation. I wonder why?
The gold bulls have there own stories as well. There was a gold options expiration last Friday that would require the producing of physical gold and gold was suppose to rally strongly starting on Monday of this week but big sellers appeared. I wonder who they were and continue to be?
I wonder what the Chinese are thinking by holding $1.3 trillion in dollar reserves? Are they going for the bait of this story which contends that there is no energy crisis or are they in the market exchnging dollars for gold and silver during these past few days of weakness? You tell me.
It is my humble opinion that the Fed and the Treasury have no real idea on how to stop the financial melting down process that will significantly effect us all and they are scared like crazy.
What ever happens, holding gold over the years has been the way to maintain your buying power, your wealth and your families security.
The scary part for all of us should be, what are they not telling us concerning the nation’s financial health as a direct result of all the created OTC derivatives floating around on and off the books of American corporations, especially in the banking industry.
The National Australian Bank must have known something to take such a heavy financial hit. It’s quite obvious what the thoughts of the bank were, jumping off a sinking ship is better than going down with it.
Prepare yourselves. Do you have your gold?
in reply to: Gold Enters Major Bull Market #3271Check out this article in relationship to the banking industry. Who’s hiding what?
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINN2849132320080728?rpc=44
in reply to: Clips from Alleghany #3269Sounds like the eng. head on
the loader is cracked, not the
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